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John Richards · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: 1896 Bing

Morning all,
I`m after some advice which may or maynot be followed.

I have an 1896 Bing o-4-0 Loco & Tender with one or two open
Wagons, all in rather Tatty condition, Piston missing, Cab breaking
away and just generally run down!. I do have the Owners Manual as well.

About as useful as a "Hip pocket in my underpants", {you get the picture}.

I would like to restore her to running condition and lift her Makeup
to rather more exceptable apearence, I know most would say
I`ll ruin her resale value by doing this, but to me at the moment
she has no value at all in her condition!.

So, I guess, what I`d like to see, Is what you fellows feel about
this problem I have!.
Be advised, I`m leaning toward "Restoration of her"

Regards,
John Richards.
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Sandman · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject:

I think you already know what's going to happen.

If it has no value to you the way it is then you must do what it takes to get satisfaction out of it.

IMHO, go for it and turn the frog into a prince.

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Steve_S · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject:

It would be worth doing some research to find out what she's worth at the moment. It may be that you could buy something more to your liking. But if not, I'd go ahead with the restoration.

tmuir · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject:

To me an old original engine that can't run is worth less than a restored old engine that can run.
Restore it and get it running.
If your not worried about the resale value go the whole hog.

Your loco must be friends with my third bing loco that is sitting on my 'restoration shelf' in my workshop.

Though I think mine is in a little worse condition.

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Keith S · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject:

I vote for restoration. I personally try not to recognise value that is assigned to an object by others who covet it; rather, I try to see its intrinsic value. A rotten, non-functioning machine has little intrinsic value regardless of its age. A nicely restored, functioning machine with mostly original parts is of great intrinsic value. This is of course just my opinion and flies in the face of collectors' mentality. What enjoyment are you getting out of it right now?
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Steve_S · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:04 am Post subject:

Les · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:02 am Post subject:

At the end of the day it is your loco to do with as you wish, if you feel you will get more enjoyment in restoring and running it then so be it.

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johnreid · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:11 am Post subject:

I guess the question is, how far do you go" How far gone is it?
If it is like the one Tony pictured, go for it, if it is just showing its age, then you might want to think it through. However, if you do no modifications to keep it from ever being returned to an authentic piece, what harm are you doing,
Remember though Lithographed pieces are hard to return to original once modded.
A restoration wont hurt, heavy modification might affect its value and your long term enjoyment.
But, you are not planning on selling it and I guess that 50 years from now they will be rare enough that even one with lots of stuff done to it will be worth something.
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967 · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject:

Hi, John;
when you see what has been done to my "Beauties" a serious collector might be embarrassed, but I´m not only a toy collector , I want to see them run and they are looking as good as they should. Resoration is best what can happen to an ancient loco. When it is running it makes your heart sing, believe me

cheers Joe

PS For you exclusively the Pix of "Maggie" and "Rosie"

dampfmaschinenjoe 1967 · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject:

Hi, John;
when you see what has been done to my "Beauties" a serious collector might be embarrassed, but I´m not only a toy collector , I want to see them run and they are looking as good as they should. Resoration is best what can happen to an ancient loco. When it is running it makes your heart sing, believe me

cheers Joe

PS For you exclusively the Pix of "Maggie" and "Rosie"

John Richards · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: Wow

Dampfmachinejoe,
Those two Ladies are a real piece of Art IMHO, That decides it,
I believe This old Lady deserves a little Make Up! I`ll put a Picture up as soon as I checkout how!.
Thank you,
John
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967 · Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject:

Hi, John,
it´s no problem to upload your Pictures at "Photobucket". From there you can copy the link and put it in your post here and finally we all can see what you´ve got .
Building year 1898 seems to be a very early engine and as most of the forum folk says, restore it to running conditions. Mine are a bit younger. They date from the mid 1920ies, but 80 years on the back and still working shows the quality german toymakers had produced at that time. I am pleased you love my "old ladies" !

cheers Joe

John Richards · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: The Lady in Question

Bit slow getting here, but as promised,

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I have a feeling I`ve stuffed up, Sorry
John
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MooseMan · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:24 am Post subject:

Hey, that's not so bad! Mainly looks cosmetic. I'm sure that can be made to run.
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TE1DRIVER · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:31 am Post subject:

That looks so cool like a real engine that has been parked up since the decline of steam commercially, quite poignant really
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