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Japanese type (sort of) vaporizing burner.
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Caprice


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Japanese type (sort of) vaporizing burner. Reply with quote

Thanks logoman for the inspiration!
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Edit: Sorry, it was mogogear that posted some pictures of the "copper tube" burner,  logoman is surely also an inspiration just not in this case. They both have funny avatars so I confused the two.
http://modelsteam.trillian.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22842-0.php
(Scroll down to middle of page)
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Take a ~10mm brass rod, thread and drill holes in it, one big and four small, bend copper tube and put it all together:


(Prepared for soldering)


(Soldered)


(Cleaned and bent)

The trick then is  to drill small holes so that the evaporated meths flame(s) heats up the copper tube, room for experimentation here I guess.

Drilled four 0.5 mm holes near the base of the copper tubes (I think 0.3 mm would have been even better)so that the flames met at the "horizontal" top(The red lines in the pic above).

Work very good IMHO, better that the "open cup" burner I had in my vertical.

Will post a video of it working soon...

Over and out from a chilly Sweden, C.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting, will be good to see it working!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, as promised here's the video:



The burner will also function as a base for a vertical boiler(works even better there, more drag and pressure I guess?).

Had some problems  to get it leak proof though , thanks to my soldering skills, or lack there of, that required many expletives.

Will test with a valve on the vent pipe to see what that can do for adjustment of the flame?

Comments welcome!

C
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats neat, I like it!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extraordinary work Caprice!! Did you make the bottom part as well?

These little burners will act a little differently when just under the boiler . the flames tend to widen out nicely and envelope the bottom portion well.

Hands and heads are great attributes in your shop!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cleverly done.  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That burns realy well.

Nice work !!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent!!  I like that a lot!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work!

There are LAB lamps on eBay that are sold as wick less....using the same idea I believe.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mogogear, Thanks! (and sorry for the "credit confusion in my first post, It belongs to you.

Yes, I built the bottom also. I did a mess of it though, had to solder it several times to fix leaks, the copper top warped and I burnt holes in the sides(No pictures, sorry). Therefore the black paint and the fake name plate at the side.  

Here it is with a boiler on top, I wanted it to look kind of "old", similar to some pictures I've seen.
End result is more of scrapheap challenge I think, but it's god enough for me.

Need to make a door also, so I can light it...



metalhead100, yes you are right (Googled on ebay), that's the same type as mogogear posted about, didn't know they were lab burners...
http://modelsteam.trillian.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22842-0.php
(scroll down to middle of page))

Did a steam test outdoors and I manage to get a nice long "smokescreen" of steam and yet the boiler is just 100cc.  

Finally, thanks for all nice feedback!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello Caprice,
it seems that everybody in this forum understood where you drill your 4 small holes but I.
"near the base of the copper tubes" is somewhat vague to. As an architect I understand only drawings or sketches. Can you make one?
Following the suggestions of the previous Logoman thread which generated interest on meths burner I made one for an asmatic boiler, the penny burner. It works perfectly but I want to attach it to a chicken feed meths tank.
It is one inch in diameter and it is made from a Ronson gas canister.


The boiler is that of an African Queen Plant
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a great thread, lots of creativity.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Great thread.

Got me thinking. I always have problems with wicks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

STEAMPROPULSION, here's a attempt to a drawing, hope that helps, I guess I got carried away a little and cluttered it with more things  than necessary but...  anyway:


(The tubes are not bent here, I stared my self blind on the second picture .)

That burner of yours looks(and burns) god, like a coke can burner in miniature...

Is that Stuart? wobbler and boiler part of a kit?
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Thanks logoman and calypso!
What's your wick problem(sorry for sounding like an wick shrink. )?

C.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANK YOU CAPRICE,
AT LAST I FEEL "AT HOME" WITH YOUR SKETCH (PROFESSIONALLY DONE BTW). I WILL TRY A REPLICA OF YOUR BURNER.

THE STEAM PLANT BELONGS TO AN AFRICAN QUEEN (A.Q.), STUART ST ENGINE + CENTRAL FLUE VERTICAL BOILER. THE ORIGINAL BURNER IS A STRAIGHT TWO WICKS BURNER AND THE WICKS ARE JUST SENDING HEATH STRAIGHT TO THE CIMNEY . THAT IS WHY I AM DESIGNING A NEW BURNER.
LES AND I HAVE THE VERY SAME BOAT (SEE PICS OF BOTH BOATS IN THE MARITIME SHED OF STWW), AND HE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SAME DEFECT OF THE BOILER. I HAVE SEEN THE SAME A.Q. BOAT ON EBAY QUITE A FEW TIMES, SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN MADE IN SOME SMALL BATCH PRODUCTION.
ANYBODY WHO KNOWN MORE ABOUT THIS A.Q. IS WELCOMED.
CHEERS TO ALL.
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