A Fleischmann of semi-demi-girth..(more pics on page 2)

Mister Occlusion · A Fleischmann of semi-demi-girth..(more pics on page 2)

Just got my own arrival today and I could not be happier.

They really went all out on the packing. The box this thing arrived in was 2 foot on each side, I kid you not. Inside this box, padded with crumpled packing paper and bubble wrap was a second box

Inside the second box, nestled in packing paper and bubble wrap was a THIRD box. This is the remaining bottom half of the original Fleischmann box. Inside this box, carefully wrapped in bubble and nicely packed in paper was the engine. Here's the unwrapped photo.

That whole stack that the engine sits on is what it came in, and you cannot see all of the packing material at all..

Side view. The burner tray and chimney were each wrapped in bubble. The bos of Esbit and that little instruction sheet you see towards the front were sealed inside of a bubble mailer!

The 130 has a very interesting pellet tray. The base of the firebox is more air than metal, as well, so there should be good air circulation. Not sure how I'll design a meths burner to fit, but I'll think of something.

And another shot. The gauge was a bit bent in the auction photos, and there is a slight depression in the boiler behind it. Otherwise it looks good.

I'm thinking of giving the whole thing a Reid Gojo treatment and seeing how it cleans up

This thing is a beast, though. It's easily the footprint of a Jensen 20, and the components are of similar size. I can't imagine how big that 135 is in comparison..

I'll post more pics once it's cleaned up a bit.

rangerssteamtoys

WOW. Thats a great engine, I cant believe all that packing

I can help with the meths burner.......just tel me how big the firebox is

seriously

Dampfzauberer

oh, nice engine!

I have great interest in that little leaflet that came with it!
Can you send me a better photo of it, please?

igy569

johnreid

IndianaRog

Mark, you landed a good one there...I think Fleischmann is finally coming into it's own in the appreciation dept. They made a darn good steam engine IMO.

johnreid

Definitely on my dream want list, maybe next years big purchase as I am all spent out for this year, Maybe a few smaller purchases but no high dollar ones for a while.

Mister Occlusion

I will scan the page when I de-pooch the scanner/printer (my print spooler tossed a gigantic wobbler the other day and I'm reinstalling the printers as time permits).

I'll photograph the firebox also and provide some dimensions. With all of the holes in the base I could probably sit a burner under it.

....just can find a tape measure right now... all of this packaging has quite buried me

This is indeed the same model engine that I saw at an antique show, where the seller said he'd go as low as $175 on. It has a nice marbeled base and blue engine, but the lines were wrecked, bits were missing, and it was altogether not very nice...

What impressed me most was noticing the engine base and uprights are of cast metal. I did not know that.

They are indeed very well made looking machines. I suppose I formed my own early judgements on Fleischmann being just another sort of Wilesco based on my one other engine: a tiny candlestick which is nothing much special. Just shows you can't base an opinion on any company's budget model.

Anyway, I'll get some details for tomorrow night, including the scan. Will be interesting to see what sort of burner Ranger is dreaming up

Bed time now!

Wallace

Very very nice engine Mark

Well done

Sandman

Great engine.

Can't wait to see it under steam.

Les

That's a very nice looking engine from someone who cares about the packing.

tmuir

Hope you give the seller 5 stars for packing.

Lovely engine, it looks like a beast.

bigal

Very nice

I had also been guilty of not giving due credit to Fleischmann products but that is changing very quickly the more I see them.

johnreid

I think that Wilesco was a supplier of pressed metal parts for Fleischmann and when Fleischmann stopped making Steam Engines, Wilesco used some of the tooling to make their own Engines. At least from my experience, the Fleischmann is of a much higher build quality than Wilesco. However, I believe that Wilesco has made some very high quality products but I have never personally seen one

Dampfzauberer

As far as i know fleischmann has nothing to do with wilesco

They were a short time competitos, wilesco did not make any stuff for fleischmann...also fleischmann did not provide any wilesco parts

johnreid

I will have find where I read that, they were two separate companies, but from what I read Wilesco sold parts as a supplier. Will have to look for the info now.

Mister Occlusion

Big picture post coming up. Mirko: I can send you higher res scans of the paper if you like, but I don't know if you want them. I admit that I did not spare it much of a glance at first and it turns out to be instructions for an electric loco.

Anyway, here's the post-cleanup engine.

I used Auld Man Welch's Universal Cleaner: Gojo
Applied with rag and acid brush and qtip, lovingly slopped and smooshed all over every component, hosed off in the sink with very hot water to aid drying.
I gave the boiler a second treatment after I had given it an experimental rub with some meths and nearly shat a brick when these awful white streaks started showing up. But another dose of Gojo, a rinse, and following up with a light coat of gun oil rubbed into the boiler polished it up a treat.

Sorry for the photos. The ones I took with flash looked too stark, and the ones without are almost fuzzy due to the poor artificial light. I'll have to shoot it out in daylight another time.

The rest of these are semi technical photos. These two showing base measurements

These next 3 detail the Esbit burner. It's quite a device in its own right as far as pellet burners go. I think that some thought went into designing the burner and firebox to maximize air flow.

Here is the underside of the base. Now you get an idea of why I say it's more air than metal under there.

The burner is a snug fit through the door

And when seated, you can see the air space surrounding the Esbit holders, as each holder sits atop a big square opening.

That's it for show and tell. It's so clean now I hate to fire it and get it all smutty again;)
I will run it (outdoors) later this week, hopefully. I'll use Esbit rather than try to knock a meths burner together in a hurry.

It should not be hard to do a burner. I think one with the tubes going under the base and through those huge square holes would be the best design.

Definitely a high quality product, particularly the engine base. I regret not buying John's 135 when I had the chance

, but such is life. There will be others.

johnreid

I really like that one Mark, you have a nice one there.

Mister Occlusion

Ta

I could not get over seeing the reflection of the firebox on the base. This thing can't have been played with all that much.

I'm debating on the gauge... I think I shall steam it first, to help loosen up the seals a bit (the filler was a wee bit calcified), and then perhaps try to remove the gauge and straighten that ding out of the boiler. I did it with a Jensen boiler, but those are made of tougher stuff.

I don't know if the filler valve is original. If it is, then these were fitted with 2 SV mechanisms, because that filler is spring loaded in addition to the weighted relief valve towards the rear. It reminds me of the ones on the smaller F-mann engines..

johnreid

My 135/2 has the two Safety Valves also.

IndianaRog

Beautiful cleanup there Mark, gotta get myself some of that GoJo...I remember Reid raving about it, but seeing is believing.

Great condition and a solid looking machine...what more can a guy ask for (I know...another)!!

Mister Occlusion

That makes them Twice as safe as anything made today!

I do like those weighted ones. I have a NOS Wilesco one that I was thinking of sticking on the D22...if it fits.

Also noticed. I do not think this one has a slip eccentric. If it does then it's not slipping very well. I suspect it runs one direction only, by design.
...of course you would not exactly want to reverse something this size by hand either, I don't think!

There is also not very much throw to the valve. Unless it just doesn't look like much next to that huge cylinder (cover).

bigal

Nice cleanup and great condition

I hope a large Fleischamnn's in my future

flywheel61

That's a really nice engine Mark and has come up really well after the spit & polish,

. Interesting to see the angled water level guage and the esbit burner, the burner looks like it would take a whole box of tablets,

.

Cheers

Chris

Les

Great clean up and it looks wonderful.

johnreid

On the bottom of my Fleischmann page I have a scan of the Steam Engine Instructions.
http://www.freewebs.com/johnreid/fleischmann.htm

toxx

... wow, Mark, congrats to a great machine!

As to history: I think I remeber reading that Wilesco bought up the Fleischmann tooling after they stopped making steam engines, some time in the mid-fifties.