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| fred |
advice required pleasecan I pick your brains please, tried to run MM2 squirting water out of steampipe, Se1 safety valve U.S. ordered new ones, I am thinking of getting a Wilesco, I have the workshop, and am tempted by D106, D15, maybe D20 but that is a bit of a push, what do you reccommend I have a D14 which is good but the old Mamods aren't running except the SP4, I am going to go for bigger ones for use Wilesco (230155456204 on ebay) is one I like as well as SP5 Mamod but need advice (I quite fancy the fairground models)
Many Thanks Fred
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| Mamodman123 |
Hi Fred, your problem is very simple!
you are overfilling your MM2! So the engine is "priming" the mamod SP5 is an excellent model! I highly recommend it! congratulations on your first post too! 
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| Sandman |
Yep.
Welcome to the forum Fred. Anything we can help with, we will. I'm not an expert with Wilescos but we have plenty of members here who are. Enjoy your stay. 
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| James |
Wahay!
Welcome to the house of fun, Fred 
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| fred |
re advicedoes the the SP5 have a speed qnd reversing lever - simple question but got to learn like the complication of Wilesco but if SP5 has above can be persuaded - thanks
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| Mamodman123 |
The SP5 does indeed have the speed/reverse lever one of the best features on the engine.
Runs better than the SE3 too 
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| fred |
I asked because cannot see it on photo where is it/ if I want to run the Wilesco fair ground stuff I'll need it Ta
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| Mamodman123 |
Depends if you mean a brand new one or not. The older ones (easily found on ebay) have them but the brand new ones sadly do not. 
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| fred |
thanks for the photo, no wonder I couldn't find in on the new ones I have been looking at - is ebay safe to buy from or does anyone you know have a safe one for sale Fred
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| Wallace |
Hi Fred, and welcome to the forums.
If you are after a SP5 just like in the pic, you will have to buy 2nd hand, as they don't make them anymore. Ebay is usually safe, but not always. When you sign up for ebay, make sure you read/follow all the security/safety advice there. Take note of sellers feedback etc. On top of that, here is a link to a post here, about buying engines on ebay. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about2535.html |
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| fred |
Dear Wallace thanks a lot been on ebay a while but new to steam, got SP4 with speed/reverse control, I have bought some SEs off ebay but they are all awaiting new safety valves -
I need the speed control on either Sp5 or a Wilesco as I want to run some of the fair ground models and the little figures Fred 
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| flywheel61 |
Hi fred,
Welcome to the forums again, if you remember we corresponded over the decals. I think you are talking about two different things here. The older Mamod SP5 has a forward and reverse control but it hasn't got a regulator to control the amount of steam to the pistons and therefore control the speed. The SE3 has a regulator to control the steam/speed but no forward and reverse, just the one direction. You can change the direction on the SE3 by putting your drive band between the engine and the accessory/ies in a figure of eight. I have Wilesco D141 workshop which has a regulator but no forward & reverse. If it's the speed you need to control, I'm rather partial to my SE3's, I have six. As far as ebay is concerned it's always helpful to ask adive on this forum. Whilst it isn't always fool-proof, we are happy for you to lean from our experiences/mistakes. Hope this helps. Cheers
Chris |
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| Wallace |
Chris made a good point about the SE3. They are best for speed control, or even a SE2, but it's only single cylinder.
I think some people do use the forward/reverse lever on a SP5 to control the speed a bit. I know the lever is "notchy" to move on them, like it can slot into different notches? Sp5 owners here would know more I had a SP5 temporarily, but sold it on, as it was having major troubles with some steam loss at the cylinder/faceplate joint, and possibly with the reverse lever lining up correctly. Whatever it was, the engine just wouldn't build up speed. Just one more tip about ebay. There are some sellers of steam best avoided too. So if you want, put up any items you are interested in, on the ebay board, and advice can be given. Good luck |
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| steamyjim |
The OLD sp5 is a good engine. Dont own one myself but have the SP4 with one cylidner. I have seen ones running and they run well.
Flywheel61, the wilesco is slip-eccentric so you have to spin the flywheel the direction you want it to turn until the eccentric (operating the piston valve) slips into place to run in the direction 
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| flywheel61 |
Steamyjim wrote
Thanks for that, you learn something everyday, . It's not in the instruction book/ pages which aren't too brilliant anyway.
I know what Wallace means about the notching on the Sp5 but could never get mine to run successfully except at full throttle in forward or reverse. Cheers
Chris |
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| Wallace |
Wow, I never knew that either
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| steamyjim |
If you look at the eccentric there should be a semi-circle slot with a peg through it. The peg is on the crank. As the crank turns this peg moves whatever direction you turn it and pushes the eccentric round, therefor setting the valve timings to run forwards or backwords
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| steamyjim |
From what i remeber that is only like that on the engines with thin steel piston/valve rods not the ones with the cast rods on the stationary engines D16 upwards | ||||
| Wallace |
Real handy to know mate, thanks for that
Have to add it to my info list 
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| Mamodman123 |
You can regulate the speed on the SP5. It has roughly 3-4 speed levels. The slowest is quite a bit slower than full blast!
It can only go so slow, more because of design of the handle than the engine itself.
You need a gooden to be able to do this
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| fred |
Thanks everyone I found an SP5 with reversing lever at Forrest Classics for £80 but hesaid he needs to solderone of the joints , I to like my SP4. and the Wilesco D14, the SP6 looks interesting and apparently has speed direction control is this right? as I said I am new to steam and in a Battery power W?chair  but am so glad I joined group learning a lot, what is the D10 like ? Thanks Fred
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| steamyjim |
The SP6 has speed control and is slip eccentric so you have to spin the flywheel the desired direction to reverse it. Wich is the same with the D10 although you dont have a speed control regulator on the D10
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, I have had a couple of dealings with Phil of Forest Classics and he seems a first class guy, quite honest. I don't think you will go wrong dealing with him.
As for the wheelchair, wouldn't it be fun to retrofit it to operate on steam!!! I've seen all manner of wheeled equipment fired by steam, why not a wheelchair Though it might give a whole new meaning to the term "hot seat".
Fred, it's good to have you with us and we'll seriously try to steer you straight with steam help. I like to think of this bunch as buddies at the pub, gathered around each evening for a few pints and some talk of their latest restoration, eBay find or engine on a want list. As fine a group of friends as you will come across. cheers, Roger |
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| steamyjim |
Yes Phil&Dee are first class steam dealers. I buy most of my new engines off them and indeed a few secondhand ones
Steam powered wheelchair would be great Nice stuart turner D10 engine on it with a stuart 504 boiler and youd be away
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| fred |
Hi - if you think I am sitting on a Meths bomb or even worse who is (James) who says 'Solid fuel tablets can explode' you have another think coming why does my postings look different to everyone elses? I go to add post and it comes out different to yours, is it me - according to her who must be obeyed it is, Grandson has offered to light Meths and run - definitely nedd speed control then[/quote]
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| IndianaRog |
Hey Fred,
OK...maybe we need to hold off on adding explosive materials to power your wheelchair...just trying to think outside the box!!! As for appearances of posts...when you get the hang of this system, you can start adding enhancements like: bolding italics underlining =================== each of the above was done by clicking on the B, i or u buttons just below the subject line. Just highlight the word you want to enhance and click on those buttons. With a bit more experience you can add images such as pics of your engines directly into the posting as well as videos of your engines within the posting. These two items both require a bit more effort such as setting up a Photobucket (free) account where pics and videos are saved...then linked to here. When you are ready to try that, just ask and we'll walk you thru it. There are complete files under Members Only headings that cover that process as well. Again Fred, good to have you on board. cheers, Roger |
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| steamyjim |
What sort of price are you willing to pay for an engine? The price determines the extras such as speed control etc | ||||
| rangerssteamtoys |
The wilesco D-10 is a good runner and can be modified to do many things. I have the older version and easly modified it to run the exhaust to the chimney by simply unsoldering 1 pipe and drillling 2 holes. |
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| fred |
I was thinking of between £ 70 to £100 for right model, wodering about Wilesco D10 on ebay after reading last post, as I can't fix them I need to have them in good order , but want to start the collection got MM2? se2, se1, Sp4, and a D14 wilesco, only the
last 2 work others off ebay and when I steamed them the safety valves melted and leaked so order 2 off Chas steam, so you see why I am worried re models Fred
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, if you are not able to do repairs on eBay type used engines...it might be safer to stick with new items from the likes of Forest Classics, as even the best "looking" used eBay offerings often come with at least minor problems requiring repair/resolder etc.
With time you might see some of the names of reputable eBay seller noted on this forum...then venture into used/no longer made types sold by these folks. There are a few very questionable eBay sellers out there and newbies are often caught with junk or refinished being passed off as original condition. Though 95% of my collection came via eBay, I too have had to do a fair number of "fixit" jobs NOT apparent in the listing and I have been doing this for almost 5 years now. cheers, Roger |
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| steamyjim |
What about a Wilesco D16? Speed control, reverse etc. Its also a lot larger than the D10 and the D10 doesnt have speed control
It is £130 so bit more than what you wanted to pay, but its a very good engine They do it in standard wilesco coulours aswell as the ones on this link are in my opinion horrible
http://www.forest-classics.co.uk/d16.htm |
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| rangerssteamtoys |
\ Here is a steam powered wheelchair it been sort of a dream of mine every since I saw wild wild west with the steam spider and wheelchair http://images.google.com/imgres?i...%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN |
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| fred |
Thanks for that info it may be worth waiting, get the SP5 off Forrest Classics andthen try the D16
Fred |
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| steamyjim |
So your getting the SP5??
A mate at schools got a D16, runs well
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| fred |
yes going to get the SP5 if Forrest Classics can get it soldered and matbe go for D16 when cash allows, that Station 500 sometimes has Wilesco at good prices, it is a beggar not being able to get out and shop but I am so glad I joined group, maybe someone will come up with used Wilesco
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, I have also done business with Matthias Brenner (owner of Station500 toys). When one item I bought from him came with minor damage in shipping, he sent me a replacement part immediately.
He also lists items on eBay exclusively for folks in the UK where there is free shipping. I have always found his prices to be at or below anything else on the web and first class, new in the box items. I bought my Wilesco vertical engine off him and I was delighted with it...even to the US the shipping was something like 10 days or less. Can't beat that. He has thousands of eBay ratings and retains a 100% satisfaction feedback level...that is very important as a buyer. cheers, Roger |
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| Mamodman123 |
So you are going to buy the original SP5? or the new one? Or does Forest have the original for sale? it's a nice engine, will serve you well and drive many models
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, though I am able bodied, I live amidst the corn fields of middle America and have NEVER seen a new steam toy for sale in a store here in the past 40 years and neither have I come across a used one in antique stores, flea markets or yard/garage/boot type sales. I have met only 3 toy steam collectors in my life and two of them were forum members Oldstuff and Sandman on a get together in Detroit, Michigan several months ago. I live in a barren wasteland so far as steam toy availability and known hobbyists are concerned. If it were not for eBay, the vendors on the net and forum members I have bought from, my bank account would be in MUCH better condition. Thank God for the internet as it has connected hobbyists like ourselves with each other and the objects of our collective interest...toy steam engines. Though your chair might keep you close to home...your keyboard is the ticket to the whole wide world of steam collectors and toys. Again, it's good to have you with us. cheers, Roger |
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| steamyjim |
Forest have a old one
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| Mamodman123 |
I can't seem to find it on his site If the soldering needs to be done, I can imagine it would be the pipes near the engine frames. They seem to break quite easily! |
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| steamyjim |
Seems to have gone.
Was on used models until recently
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| Mamodman123 |
Maybe someone bought it? Not sure... wanted a butcher at it anyway
If it's gone, they turn up on ebay pretty cheap! |
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| steamyjim |
Yes probally...
But Fred says forest are going to solder it and hes going to buy it, maybe thats why the took it off
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| Mamodman123 |
Could be! He's a good dealer is Forest!
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| steamyjim |
Yep, good freind with he. Invited me up to Mamod and D.R Mercer.
Im one of a select few that have been allowed into his house/workshop/alladins cave
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| Mamodman123 |
He operates from his house doesn't he?
I've met him once at STIA and he's a good bloke. Him and PPS steam
The mamodman stamp of approval
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| steamyjim |
Yes, been to the Forest hide out aswell. Full of engines
I walked in and there was boxes and boxes full of SR1s and TE1a's in the hall all lined up along the entire room
Ahh PPS is a good bloke and all. Operates from home aswell
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| Mamodman123 |
I haven't quite got SR1a's stacked up to the roof I must admit
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| steamyjim |
Such a shame we dont
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| fred |
I rang forrest classics about 12.00ish and asked him, after Advice on forum, he said he had one and would get the soldering done and I have to ring him next Monday to see if it is ready, anybody know anything of D18 is it reversible and controlable like the D16 which I was told was a good machine thanks and thanks to chap in fields it cheered me up no end
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, it sounds like you are in good hands with Phil of Forest Classics...I didn't know he did repairs as well...good bloke we all seem to enjoy dealing with.
Also glad I could cheer you up a bit from the cornfields of midwest America. We have a great hobby full of great people who one by one keep finding their way to our little corner of the internet.
cheers, Roger (aka IndianaRog) |
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| steamyjim |
The D18 is reversible and is speed controlable.
All fixed cylinder Wilescos are reversible. And all Wilescos with a valve between the boiler and cylinder have speed control
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| Mamodman123 |
Congratulations on your SP5 then Fred
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| fred |
I like your site Roger, it is very interesting, must have a real good look, and must get a logo for myself how? there is a wilesco D18 on ebay here for £53 + so do I hit the credit card? no box but light in between the boiler and cylinder, chap has just offered me a SE2a for £20+ so said yes, I am going bankrupt or as you would say hitting the Great Depression era in bank 
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| steamyjim |
£53 is a good price for a D18! | ||||
| Mamodman123 |
Nothing will harm your wallet like toy steam
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| rangerssteamtoys |
no joke
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| Minor1PJG |
Chris
Your D141 will operate in forward or reverse by throwing the flywheel in either direction to start it as it has a double acting cylinder ! So no forward and reverse lever like the simple mamods but you can send it in either direction! !
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| fred |
Thanks a lot Paul it is the D14 and yes I tried it, I want to collect the wilesco figures and need a way to slow engines down so they run at a more realistic speed
Fred
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| Wallace |
You'll think otherwise when you get married
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| Minor1PJG |
Fred
I don't think a SE2a has a speed regulator just a forward and reverse. The older SE2 does have a speed control but no forward and reverse .
You could manage the speed through 'gears' by running your drive band to a lineshaft and then to the fairground items. The Mamod Lineshafts have a nice selection of pulley sizes (always available on e-bay) and adds another dimension! I like Lineshafts me
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| tmuir |
Marriage isn't the killer on your wallet its the children.
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| Mamodman123 |
the handle works as a regulator aswel! not as good as the SE2's but good enough
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| Minor1PJG |
Aah, like the Te1a's and SR1a's then.
I understand.
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| Mamodman123 |
Yeah, not the greatest in the world but does give a bit of control! |
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| steamyjim |
Yes it does, but you have to keep hold of it. No notches like on the mobiles
Anyway off now to steam up a SW1
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| rough-shunter |
fred where abouts are you from and do you have msn | ||||
| steamgranny |
I wish to second that. Only had a couple of dealings myself but initial inquiry mails are answered within the hour & items mailed same or next day, depending on hour, to arrive here sometimes only 48 hrs later. Excellent, knowledgeable & very friendly service. 
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| James |
I'll third it
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| Mamodman123 |
Forest classics sent me some rivets the day before STIA without me even paying!
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| fred |
Hi all had bad day but so what, Steamy Jim what Wilesco is that you have as an image? looks good,
I live in Runcorn Cheshire, I'll get Grandson to put MSN on tomorrow have an idea it is on one of the computers already will let you know got email from Station 500 D16 for £119 any one any ideas? is it worth hitting Credit card for? bought a SE"a awhile ago off Ebay and it has finally turned up at seller's house after he sent emails to him, he is going to post it on will let you know
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| fred |
Sorry should read SE2a
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| fred |
Another email saying D18 for same price which is best D16 or D18? I have a torch would rather pay for power and control so which is best? I lean towards the D16 but am open to advice from those more up to scraatch than myself TA!
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| Mister Occlusion |
Both the D16 and D18 use the same engine component, but the D18 has a much larger boiler (twice the capacity) and is a larger model physically. If offered either one of them for the same price I would not hesitate to take the D18, even if you don't factor in the added value of the dynamo. At some point I myself plan to buy either a D18 or D21... next year. Edit: Here are the tech specs from Wilesco http://www.wilesco.de/wilesco/us/technische-daten.html |
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| fred |
Thanks, but is the D18 reverible - it doesn't say so on site 
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| fred |
Just looked back Steamy Jim said the D18 was reversible, and had speed control  so may go that way
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| Mister Occlusion |
Wilesco pretty much has 3 engine types for stationary models: the single acting oscillating type on the cheapest models (D5 D6..), a small double acting type, such as on the traction engines, the D14, D15 (and two of them on the D22), and the larger double acting, such as on your D16 through D21. *All* of their double acting engines have reverse capability, so that's no worry. The features that change from model to model are things such as: boiler capacity, the presence of a speed control, and secondary features like pressure gauge, generator, water pump, tools... Those are the only things to choose from in selecting between the Wilesco models with the double acting slide valve engines. They may dress the cylinders up differently on each model, but it's still one or the other of only 2 slide valve engines that they make. Either way, the D18 is definitely the better deal, if it's the same price. |
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| James |
My D16 has speed control and forwards reverse
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| fred |
Thanks I'll go for D18 then and pray for the credit card
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| Mamodman123 |
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| fred |
Thanks for that, I have just put bid on D18, so will have to live with it it does have speed control and Steamy and some others said all Wilesco are reversible I just hope they are right, what do you do just turn the flywheel in the opposite direction Thanks
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| James |
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| IndianaRog |
Fred, YES, Wilescos reverse by just rotating the flywheel in the opposite direction.
As for the credit card...condolences...not much we can help you with there and in fact we could help lead you to bankruptcy!!!! cheers, Roger |
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| fred |
Hi Roger thanks  - just got safety valves off Chas Steam for SEs, they fit O.K. but are about 1/2 in longer - are they safe to use?
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| Mamodman123 |
Yes, Mamod did make them longer in the end anyway
So perfectly fine
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| fred |
Thanks Roger
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