Boat Project #2- Bogstandard cap arrives!! page 3

mogogear · Boat Project #2- Bogstandard cap arrives!! page 3

Barring a voracious postal clerk the second boat project will arrive here in a week or so. A "looks like" hand build boat- Navy style but soon to be modified also into the Bowman style.

She is 35" long-

Yes a big girl-!!! I am shooting for a "Peggy size" launch. I think that is one of the former models I saw. She is also 8" abeam. Ruddered and propped already - we will see if they are keepers or not. It was built with RC in mind-

The seller thinks it was made in the 1970-80"s - so not antique really.. OK, almost twice as old as James and a couple of the others

Here is the exploded view with all superstructure removed and will be most likely scrapped. Too bad someone spent a lot of time and Grey paint!!

Here is a side view of the hull. She has a little "vee" to the hull- so not a pure launch- but that should help with any stability..

I see most of the decking going away and hopefully a nice removable natural wood deck aft-- that juts out past the rear transom like I have seen in an old "Peggy" advert from Hobbies- I think???--

Nice to have a stand thrown in to boot as well...

Doctor, Ready the Dremel SAW!!!

Muhaa HA HAAA HAAA !!

johnreid

I like it, there is so much potential there.
Keep us posted as to what you do with it.

Les Marsh

What steam plant are you putting in her?

mogogear

I am unsure yet Les - perhaps the Modeen Twin as it is supposed to power boats up to 40" or so and I may find another smaller single piston to run the more Snipe -like boat in my Project 1. I am looking at a casting kit that is ready machined or what ever I come across. I truly love the aspect of having many smaller projects to work on in the this larger project- hull, cowling, rudder system, engine / power plant - paint / RC etc..

Here is the Modeen- - undelivered as yet and then needs to be assembled as a unit. reversing though!!

And here is the castings set that I am also playing wit the idea of assembling. Anyone have any experience with this design ??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....sPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=004

If it is truly double action - then it is "self starting" ??? I am checking to see how tall the finished engine is

Les Marsh

I don't know about the casting machined engine, but it does look nice apart from the colour!

Wallace

Nice one

Really looking forward to this project developing.

MooseMan

That hull's a beauty - I'd say the Modeen would be perfect for something that size.

The "castings" engine you're looking at is double-acting, but not self-starting - it would have to be a twin for that. Doesn't Clinton "Steamyman" have one of these?

mogogear

Thanks Moose and all- So double action is in reference to the exhausting action - that makes sense...

Ok we will see if Steamy likes his - Then when and if I decide to assemble a engine it could be a possibility.

I am not a machinist - so the plain castings kit is not in the cards..

steamyjim

No double acting refers to steam being admitted on both sides of the piston

A double acting twin will self start

mogogear

THanks Steamyjim- Now I have it. I am quite adept at internal combustion engines- steam is so new to me that I want to be careful I understand terminology. Pressure forcing the piston back up as well as down makes great sense as a more powerful and consistent stroke.

So there is double action single pistons -

single action single pistons

and the same two versions in twins- I assume. The key in twins -s the offest power stroke of the two pistons make it self starting... Am I close on all of this..?

MooseMan

Spot on. In a double acting twin the stroke will be offset 90 degrees, so that the flywheel is always commencing a powerstroke (no TDC or BDC).

In a single acting twin the stroke will be offset 180 degrees, which gives the best balance - power stroke matches the exhaust stroke. Of course this configuration does have two dead centres, and can't be reliably self starting.

mogogear

More evidence of this forum encouraging my money to leave my bank account- I followed yet another piece of advice- upgraded my no-name rotary tool- to a Dremel -

the latest of course ( 400) with the cable and planning attachment and various such things-

The great news is that Home Dep@t had forgotten to take off the sales tags and the kit was "still on sale price" and the kit had been upgraded to boot...$59 for the $129 model-------- I wasn't even pushing for them to honor it.... But I didn't argue about it when the guy offered...

Monday - A GOOD day! Let me at those boat hulls!

Cranko

Excellent craft , well done

Les Marsh

Nice one.

MooseMan

59 bucks for a Dremel 400

Nice one!

IndianaRog

Mo...you will love the Dremel 400...my kids gave me one for Christmas a year ago and I certainly gave the thing plenty of practice.

Only suggestion is to save the receipt...one year warranty. Mine crapped out (sort of flamed out to be precise) at about 11 months and I got a replacement free. I think I got a bit too much brass dust sucked in the cooling intakes!!! It's demise was spectacular to say the least, but plastic housing protected me. I still love the beast, but hang onto the receipt!!

mogogear

Ahhhh...Wise , sage advice ...

mogogear

It has been a while since I snagged the boat now known as Boat #2.

She finally arrived - with fore-known busted super structure etc.
She is about 34" long and a beam of 8.5"
The hull is about 5" deep. She dwarfs Boat #1

This boat was a project for some Coast Guard staffer based on a small island off of Rhode Island..

Here she is with the start of deck modification underway, clearing room for the Crompton boiler and Modeen twin engine

Boat #1 in the picture for scale and comparison- Boat #1 is 24" long X 4" beam

I still need to cut down the propeller shaft length to allow for the engine to sit in correctly but the stuffing box and shaft were done well.

So - this little bit of just seeing if the twin power plant will fit is done... now it is back to square one of the Bogstandard and company hull preparation suggestion.

Since it is already painted- I am thinking of getting any wooden mounting pieces and modifications added, cut and fitted. Then coating the inside of the hull with fiberglass resin to add strength and seal any poor workmanship that ocured prior ro my ownership..
Hows that sound? Or should I paint with sealer, since it is thinner and it can run into the nooks and crannies, then coat with resin ?

Ok- Thats all for now... poor Boat #1-- still waiting for the power plant fitting before I advance with any other shaft trimmings and further Hull prep. I need to get in proper support wood work for boiler and engine . then finish sealer and paint coats..

MooseMan

Oh me oh my.......that is going to be a beauty! Looks like the engine's a perfect size for that hull.

I'll be watching this project very closely!

mogogear

Thanks moosey,

This hull is made frome such light balsa wood I am really leaning towards the addition of the resin to give the hull strength.

I agree though- the scale seems right- wow- luck of the draw there- basing all on small ebay photos and the two parts coming from sales weeks apart etc...

I am contemplating decktop options around and around in my head. Open and painted or keeping it a bit small and simple. So I am looking at other boats to mimick -- I don't think I will opt for a cabin or Salon but I have only had the boat in my hands 48 hours so getting a feel for what seems proper has really just started.

The prop shaft and tube has a nice cross member at the engine -end that has a ballbearing built in to the support and seems at least well thought out. The rudder is a bit clunky but may be OK- I am too new at this to know yet.

Hello there bogstandard- whats your read on the resin first or sealer then.. thought????

The

mogogear

Oh, yes I am also thinking of making the boiler fasteb down with a hinged arrangement. So that the end near the engine is attached to a hinge. The other would lift up. This would help to tilt the burner end up and help rid me of needing to fill the burner and then tilt it at some extreme angle - WHILE LIT- just to get it in the boiler. I hope that makes sense- seems good on paper...

I can just imagine dumping lit meths all over the WOODEN boat

One of my rare moments of advance thinking- caution --that will not happen again for a while..

Instand bon fire!

H2o vapour

Looking Good!!

Why not try to have the boiler and engine so that they can come out quickly and with ease for maintenance etc.

Also I think you will need a bigger pitched prop to get the the old girl moving. May be worth making sure that you can get at the prop shaft and prop / coupling with ease.

Very nice size - Good project

Good luck!!

H20

mogogear

Thanks for the input H2O,

I have a drip tray that the boiler and engine will sit on. I was thinking of hinging the boiler to the drip tray... so having the driptray be able to be removed with pins , clips or toggles would be great!! I had thought that wobbled out holes would be a reality after a few- in and outs of the screws!!

Any one with some photos of a proposed way to do this would be King for the day!! Please.

Also I will connect the boiler to engine with hi-temp silicone tubing clamped in place- this should also be a help-- Maybe not as nice at the complete power plants that have all the lines wrapped in white cording... but I can wrap the piping up to the hose..I think...

I also will need a oil trap for the exahust..( also connected by tubing) Then I want to connect the outlet from the trap to the smoke stack with copper tubing . I think a picture of a dream power plant posted by Kusuchi shoed such a exhaust line externally mounted near the top of a stack- My stack is fed with live heat from the burner area - through the boiler body- Visible Vapor coming from the stack is a visual I definetly want to have!!

This one will be RC with servos for F/R and neutral as well as rudder control... All of that will be housed in the rear to help balance the weight..

So throw me any suggestions- becuase this and one more will make two boats I have built-- So newbie is an understatement.

But hopefully this can help details the decisons that need to be addressed on a venture like this-

I am happy to document what I learn from the "collective"

mogogear

A minor update... If you refer back to the previous picture- I have had to rethink how to arrange the power plant. Since I was too impatient and didn't foresee this I had to reinstall the cross -rib(?) that I had cut out to allow for the install and removal of the boiler..

FYI- my boat terminology is going to suck alot while I get a handle on the lingo...

Anywat the angle that the prop shaft is installed through the keel forced be to reverse the Bow- Boiler-Engine- Prop coupler order to
Bow - engine - Boiler- prop coupler - with the coupler positioned under the boiler. This will have the benefit of having the boiler more centrally located in the hull - in a front to rear aspect.

I needed to cut out the Cross- rib pieces further to the aft. Also my burner will go into the boiler from the rear facing end as opposed to the bow end0 so many brain storms have been going on..

Take a look as I add some re-inforcement along the deck opening and the lower hull area at the keel. I added oak mounting sleepers so the occasional ( I am an optimist) removing of the boiler via screws can be done in a hard wood and the holes will not get all wallowed out after three times.

Lots of pretty colored clamps while glue dries!!!

I have also been busy making a matching metal tray for the burner to rest on. I made it to overhand the top edge of the boiler drip pan- So just in case I should get any leakage of meths- it might be more inclined to feed in to the boiler pan and not into the wooden bowels of the hull!!

It will sit just behind the new wooden sleepers that are visible in the center , running the length of the boat. and just before the servo deck that finishes up the last 5" aft.

I will get a dry fit positioning of the components tomorrow.

WOW lots of stuff clamped -It looks like a party..As I am sure Richard (kusuchi) will attest to- although a different kind of challenge not having instructions- THIS IS FUN!!

Later

mogogear

I couldn't wait to get up and get those"hair bows" off of the boat...!!

So this is what the mock up looks like with power plant set in place...

Once again the rear deck area is where the receiver and two servos will go. Linkage from the rear up to the engine for the forward / reverse is in the thinking stages..

Here is a top view..

The boiler tray still needs to have the hinges fitted between it and the boiler, the boiler is in need of VHT paint to the fire box, smokestack will need something nice on top - a flare of some sort..

Still working out how to hold down the engine to the oak mounting blocks. I and thinking threaded studs in the oak using nuts and a slotted bracket to slide down and clamp the drip tray...

Lots of random thoughts. Oh yes there is a final cross brace with a ball bearing pressed in place that will support the final 1" before the coupler. It has another ballbearing set up just after the shaft exits the keel -- too many-? I don't know - but I like having them I think..

Every time I look at Richard or Moose's boats - they all look so pretty- mine seems in the "ugly ducking stage" for a long time yet...

IndianaRog

Mo, that ain't no ugly duckling...shes a swan in the making! Seriously, you are doing good stuff with her and it looks grand if you ask me.

Rog

mogogear

Ahhh shucks.. thanks Rog....

The steps on the list make the launch date seem far off- but it is fun working out these little problems in my head --- nice daydreaming..

Les Marsh

It is looking good so far.

Minor1PJG

I know nothing about boats other than this is going to be soooo good!!

bessytractor

wow this all looking impressive!

keep up the good work!

Wallace

Mo that is looking fantastic. Keep up the great work

mogogear

I know why I didn't be come a "modeler".. If I did all these steps to just look at and dust off a boat - I would load it with a lot of old fireworks and have a grand time..

The building is great - because the steaming her around the "casting pond" will be a lot of fun with my daughter- Maddie ( Madeleine) she is my painting and sanding assistant( 6 years old)

The process is great- although a marginally vertical learning curve. I like the anticipation of visualizing what will come. That may be in concert with what goes on in a railroader's head. Layout, details around the train itself...

I love this new hobby!! Thanks for kind words and encouragement!! I feel like a 50yearold - 10 year old - if that makes sense!?

Ciao

mogogear

Not a big leap forward- but some below deck platforms in place for servos, receiver, and the like. Also the hinged boiler to drip pan is all done.

After following the advice on parallel servo horns and shorter linkage rods.. I moved my engine servo to the front of the boat.

It is so not productive to keep removing the components and then putting them back in again.. but it helps to paint the picture in head of this boat on the water..also the "dry fitting " seems to help work out problems that I sometimes don.t see until I arrange the menagerie 3 or 4 times

I had to b=place a brass boiler knob off an espresso machine on top of my stack .. till the Bogstandard one comes...

The lines are looking pretty good. I am sourcing a wooden or metal grating that I can frame to put over the engine area just afore the boiler. It seems a "shippy detail!! With the natural wood trim , soon to be re-painter deck, a patina clad copper bow faring and a Bowman-esque Oak rear Boot-lid, I think she will pass for a styled "pond boat" .

Somewhat amateurish in design details but I opted to copy simple and classic detail. I can just see John's stack cap in place in my minds eye...So cool..

Also Boat 1 and boat 5 sit idling near by while the big hull gets all the attention..

Pouring some sealer into the hull and coating all cracks and crevices ... the the resin coat inside!!!

Then it is outer paint time----sand, sand ,sand, primer, sand, paint, sand , paint , sand , paint ,sand, clear coat , sand , clear coat, sand......I am just dizzy thinking about it..And I need the weather to be a bit dryer here to help with doing this out on the porch..

But of course I live in Oregon.. so that is not working out well right now..
Adios

Les Marsh

All the parts seem to fit quite neatly into the hull and it's looking good so far. Well done.

mogogear

After the "primer"- bookwise - on RC servos / alignment / and linkage -I my have to re-orient the rear servo to move the the same arc as the rudder counterpart.

I do have a nice supply of the Titanium bike spokes to use for linkage!!

I also have worked out a Skeg from flat bar brass . It attaches to the rear prop shaft support and will screw in to the transom onto a piece of Oak trim. It will work I think-- even took a small ball peen hammer to it to lend that hammered from scratch look.. I will get a shot of it up soon.

duncandumpertruck

The Boat is coming on very well! The plant arrangement looks great in the hull.

mogogear

Well, it it goes without saying many of us fall in line behind John Moore / Bogstandard!!

John's graciously made smokestack funnel cap arrived in the mail today!! Simply and sufficiently packaged with a small plastic insert to prevent any accidental crushing of the cap.

Thanks for the preventive care!

The cap is absolutely beautiful !!

It is such a great touch, I am so proud to have this and grateful.

The rest are hastily shot pictures as I run to read nighttime stories to my little "shop helper" -- it is the highlight of the week!! And will keep me smiling as the weeks go on in this boat transformation from Coast Guard model to semi-classic steam launch !!

Caps on!!!! and Hats off......... to a gent, Thank you sir.

tmuir

Perfect fit and really suits the boat.
Keep the pictures coming.

Nick

Wow that really "tops" it off.

I remember the thread where John made it, and he made it look so easy. You both do great work.

mogogear

Les Marsh

That is surely one elegant looking cap which suits your boat beautifully.

Bogstandard

Glad to be of service to a fellow steam modeller.

I am just glad it arrived undamaged.

It is marvellous what can be done with a lump of scrap and a little bit of effort.

Just enjoy what you are doing.

John

MooseMan

Mo, I love what you're doing with that boat.....I know that it is going to be a stunner, can't wait to see it finished. John's chimney cap's perfect for your engine.

Keep up the good work mate!

Sandman

That chimney cap is a work of art.

mogogear

Thanks Again John, and to the rest as well, nothing like a good "support group"

johnreid

Truly a thing of beauty, that cap adds a lot of class to your boat.

kusuchi

First visit to the thread Mo, I'm ashamed to say

First class workmanship, you're not scared to take the bull by the horns, and the result looks like it's going to be spectacular.

I would be hesitant to build anything that didn't come with instructions.

John's cap is a work of art and he is way too modest

Give me a lump of scrap and a lot of effort and I couldn't come up with that in a month of Sundays.

Keep up the good work and exercise that camera shutter.

mogogear

Richard - instructions just mock me and tell me I read them too fast!!

I did not build the boat from scratch- just "de-constructing" from scratch

I have great teachers!! All of them-- and the home work is fun!!

alan2525

The steam boat is looking great and what a nice gesture of bogstandard to make the chimney cap for it!

One thing about filing in the lathe - It's a little scary as the consequences of hitting a spinning lathe jaw - at the least it's going to be unpleasant. It's suprising what rewarding results you can quickly achieve with a little care and a lot of polishing with emery cloth and some wet and dry!