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We have a growing community of regular posting members who chat about all aspects of toy and model steam.          The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Wanted kusuchi Current Wish List EDITED: March 16, 2008 Realistic:   Mamod N&B SR1 Mint Condition, unfired with box.   Mamod Showman's   Mamod Le Mans Twin Cylinder   Fleischmann 135/2   Flieschmann130/2 or similar   Fleischmann Accessories   Midwest Fantail with custom Mahogany decking, (that I can  provide).   Krick Victoria and Cheddar Puffin.   Marklin 16501 Unrealistic:   Mohanon Heron Vertical Steam Plant   Marten, Howes & Baylis - Topaz or Der Seekadett   Tuscher & Walther Flying Machine TWT461   Limited Edition German Steam Carousel   Tethered Flash Steam Hydroplane   Many, many others Minor1PJG I love lists me kusuchi Minor1PJG wrote: I love lists me Me too, moving targets, an object lesson in futility. johnreid You might enjoy a 122/4 as much as a 130/2 I sure like mine, you can see it by clicking the www button on the bottom of my post. Oh, BTW mines not for sale. kusuchi johnreid wrote: You might enjoy a 122/4 as much as a 130/2 I sure like mine, you can see it by clicking the www button on the bottom of my post. Oh, BTW mines not for sale. I watched it arrive, same time I bought the Jensen 25, and followed the thread.  It's in great shape, lovely engine. Which one did Sandy just get?  It seems rare that the e bay auctions identify them. Nick Check out the base on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Fleischmann-s...QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122 kusuchi ncseverson wrote: Check out the base on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Fleischmann-s...QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122 Funny I was looking at this very engine this morning.  It looks to be in great condition...but.....which one is it? johnreid I think it is a 125/4 kusuchi Excuse my complete ignorance, but what do the little balls hanging from the disc connected by a driveband to the flywheel do? johnreid That mainly is decorative on those engines, on the big ones it is a centrifugal governor that when spinning above a certain speed throttle the engine back. On these it is decorative, On Rogers 51 replica you can see a functional one as in this picture. Maybe Roger of Gil can give you more info IndianaRog Only thing I would add to John's explanation is that if you examine that governor on my 51 replica very closely, you can see a lever that rides in a groove around the bottom of the twirling part.   As the engine speeds up the governor balls do swing out to the side and this centrifugal force causes the lower grooved portion to rise against a bit of spring tension...as that lever rises with the grooved bit, it gradually cuts back steam flow to the steam chest it is attached to, thus slowing the engine. The amount of throw allowed that steam "lever" is completely adjustable, so you have a fair amount of speed control once things are going fast enough to cause the balls to swing out and thus lift the lower part of the governor.  I would guestimate that it controls the upper 30-40% of the speed the engine could attain. Now Richard, aren't you glad you asked!!! Rog johnreid That is how you learn. Real Steam engines have functional governors, Toys have make believe governors. Once you start noticing them on the bigger engines, you will appreciate the looks of the imitation ones on our toys. Another note though, with some engines the fake governor is too much load and power is gained by unhooking the belt. The hobby line Jensen 25 has a fake governor and if lubricated doesnt seem to be a big problem, I had a Wilesco D10 and the fake governor cut the speed in half. kusuchi IndianaRog wrote: Only thing I would add to John's explanation is that if you examine that governor on my 51 replica very closely, you can see a lever that rides in a groove around the bottom of the twirling part.   As the engine speeds up the governor balls do swing out to the side and this centrifugal force causes the lower grooved portion to rise against a bit of spring tension...as that lever rises with the grooved bit, it gradually cuts back steam flow to the steam chest it is attached to, thus slowing the engine. The amount of throw allowed that steam "lever" is completely adjustable, so you have a fair amount of speed control once things are going fast enough to cause the balls to swing out and thus lift the lower part of the governor.  I would guestimate that it controls the upper 30-40% of the speed the engine could attain. Now Richard, aren't you glad you asked!!! Rog You Bet. johnreid Richard, I think you would enjoy going through this thread, also  notice that governors on some of the engines. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about7498.html Nick Richard, I highly reccommend taking the time to read through that entire thread John posted. You will enjoy it a lot. There are plenty of pictures in there that Andrew would love to see. johnreid That marbleized look on that base of that Ebay engine is cool, I think they did that for a few years. I guess it was too expensive to continue doing. Nick It looks better than my purple based Fleischmanns. kusuchi Worth buying guy's.? Seem to have a lot of stuff coming from UK. It will soon be cheaper to go and get it. Les Marsh kusuchi wrote: Worth buying guy's.? Seem to have a lot of stuff coming from UK. It will soon be cheaper to go and get it. If you like the look, then ok, just remember to revise your wish list. johnreid Although big engines are impressive, bigger isnt always better. If you find a nice one that has the looks that you like, I think that is a better addition to your collection than one that just takes up a lot of space. The 125/4 might set off your display better than a real big one. I think that older German engines are something else though. kusuchi johnreid wrote: Although big engines are impressive, bigger isnt always better. If you find a nice one that has the looks that you like, I think that is a better addition to your collection than one that just takes up a lot of space. The 125/4 might set off your display better than a real big one. I think that older German engines are something else though. Ok John, Tell me what you really think! I think that engine is really beautiful.  Whether it is the epitomy of style and class I really don't know.     I'm not big on restorations.  I'll do self builds. The condition looks great.   I don't believe that bigger is necessarily better, and I love the marble base. So? kusuchi johnreid wrote: Although big engines are impressive, bigger isnt always better. If you find a nice one that has the looks that you like, I think that is a better addition to your collection than one that just takes up a lot of space. The 125/4 might set off your display better than a real big one. I think that older German engines are something else though. Ok John, Tell me what you really think! I think that engine is really beautiful.  Whether it is the epitomy of style and class I really don't know.     I'm not big on restorations.  I'll do self builds. The condition looks great.   I don't believe that bigger is necessarily better, and I love the marble base. So? johnreid If that is a 125/4, the flywheel is 3.14 inches diameter, the boiler is 6 1/2 long with a diameter of 2.48 inches which I think is the same size as my 122/4s boiler but the flywheel is 1/4 inch larger than the 122/4 I think it is a cool looking engine and one that I seriously doubt will be duplicated in appearance by any other engine you own or are apt to purchase in th future. Are you after brute power or a more artistic look? kusuchi Artistry and craftmanship first, power a distant second Nick Richard, do you realize the 135 has almost a 5 inch flywheel!!!     12.5 cm or 4.92 inches! kusuchi ncseverson wrote: Richard, do you realize the 135 has almost a 5 inch flywheel!!!     12.5 cm or 4.92 inches! I know, Nick, I wasn't going to take it off the list. Roundy Re: Current Wish List kusuchi wrote: EDITED: March 16, 2008 Realistic:   Mamod N&B SR1 Mint Condition, unfired with box.   Mamod Showman's   Mamod Le Mans Twin Cylinder   Fleischmann 135/2   Flieschmann130/2 or similar   Fleischmann Accessories   Midwest Fantail with custom Mahogany decking, (that I can  prviide).   Krick Victoria and Cheddar Puffin. Unrealistic:   Mohanon Heron Vertical Steam Plant   Marten, Howes & Baylis - Topaz or Der Seekadett   Tuscher & Walther Flying Machine TWT461   Limited Edition German Steam Carousel   Tethered Flash Steam Hydroplane   Many, many others I bort a mamod lemans racer off chas ages ago, it never ran propperly/ at all and to top it off i burnt myself quite badly so i sent it back to chas and swapped it 4 a poste offace van- pat 3!        The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Wanted Page 1 of 1