logoman
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DEESomeone used a stamp collection, over 130 stamps, to send this to me.
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Roly Williams
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Great if you're a stamp collector yourself.
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logoman
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this was inside, what do you think it is Roly?
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johnreid
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OOOOOO, I bet this is going to be nice 
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logoman
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| johnreid wrote: | | OOOOOO, I bet this is going to be nice |
I think so John.
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kusuchi
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| johnreid wrote: | | OOOOOO, I bet this is going to be nice |
If it's what I think it is, you're right. 
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logoman
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nicely packed from Switzerland.
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Roly Williams
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A very long thin boat?
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Bugsy
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The suspense is killing me!!!!!!!!!!
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rangerssteamtoys
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | A very long thin boat? |
Thats what I'm thinking, but not too long you must leave room for other supplies for the boat.
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Bugsy
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I think it's one of those famous Swiss Salamis!
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johnreid
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| logoman wrote: | nicely packed from Switzerland.
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A Super Rolex??!!??
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Roly Williams
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| johnreid wrote: | | logoman wrote: | nicely packed from Switzerland.
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A Super Rolex??!!?? |
A Grandfather Rolex!
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Dampfzauberer
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Toblerone for the big kid
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Rob
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isnt DEE a gauge 1 loco?
introduced with the project as an easy build loco
is it a DEE loco then?
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Roly Williams
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A steam powered submarine?
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logoman
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opening that lid was a good moment. There was a really nice smell of smokey chimneys and salty sea from long ago.
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Rob
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| Rob wrote: | isnt DEE a gauge 1 loco?
introduced with the project as an easy build loco
is it a DEE loco then? |
durrrr, just found this was in the steam boat section
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rangerssteamtoys
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Ok, we have had the unvailing. Now give us TONS of pics. I can hardly tell its a boat.
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MooseMan
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Miles you swine! get on with it!
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tmuir
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No idea what brand it is but can see its old and rather special.
I won't be able to check the forum after tomorrow morning for a few days so make sure you have put up good photos before then.
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johnreid
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I like what I see so far
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logoman
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a Stuart Torpedo boat.
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Roly Williams
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Funnily enough, I was going to suggest a torpedo. I would have been almost right
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logoman
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I placed the 2 rear ventilators in the wrong place (kids pestering me for attention), they should be in front of the engine house.
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logoman
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I was amazed at the originality, there very few parts that are repairs, the hull is original, machine carved from a single piece.
I don't know who made these or sold them, but they were called Stuart Torpedo boats. They are a model of a Torpedo Boat Destroyer, a precursor to the destroyer, c.1890s.
Did a model boat company build the boats and supply them to Stuart who then fitted the engine? Or did Stuart supply the engine exclusively to a model boat company? Or was it a kit?
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logoman
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some bits that were in the box.
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logoman
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Whilst absolutely filthy, the engine, a Stuart No.2 Torpedo Boat Engine, turns like silk and looks to be in good working order. The boiler is very securely enclosed in the riveted firebox, which I see as my main obstacle in the restoration, since I will need to remove it for testing/repair. The burner is a simple tray type filled with wicking material, supplied by a fuel tank.
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Steve_S
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What a fantastic thing to have! You're going to have a lot of fun with that Miles. 
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tmuir
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Wow, It must be bigger than I thought.
That's a serious bit of kit, look forward to you getting it running.
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logoman
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| tmuir wrote: | Wow, It must be bigger than I thought.
That's a serious bit of kit, look forward to you getting it running. |
It a meter long Tony, so a manageable size, which was the deciding factor for me.
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rangerssteamtoys
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Very nice boat, just needs a cleaning.
Twin single acting cylinders linked together with gears @ 90 degrees apart. Makes a semi-double acting.
I'm not sure that it will run like that, maybe the cranks should be 180 degrees apart. One slide valve controls both so yeah, they need to be reset. I think.
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RocDoc
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Wow, what a fantastic boat.
Pete
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duncandumpertruck
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Well well! She's a beauty Miles. The detailing on her is great. You're not going to do too much of a restore are you? Surely just keep her as she is!
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logoman
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| duncandumpertruck wrote: | | Well well! She's a beauty Miles. The detailing on her is great. You're not going to do too much of a restore are you? Surely just keep her as she is! |
I need to do a bit to be able to get her running and on the water (including making the rudder), but I won't touch the paint or do much else.
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kusuchi
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Absolutely gorgeous, Miles. She looks even better in the flesh.
What an exquisite piece.
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mogogear
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Incredible purchase Miles - what a great addition to your Armada !! The hull is metal is it not? The meshing props are a treat!!
Good for you!! I can't wait to see more! We have to get you a shop old boy!
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Stitch
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Wow, that's unique. It must be one of the coolest boats that I have seen
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flywheel61
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That's a brilliant buy, great your only doing what is necessary to make it operable again.
Cheers
Chris
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MooseMan
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Wonderful stuff Miles! Where on earth did you dig that up?
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Keith S
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Miles, the pictures you sent me of this boat did not come through, only the other boat. I had no idea you were getting this one! Wow, it's fascinating. The engine in particular is different than anything I've ever seen before. Is it two oscillating engines or are there valves in there somewhere? Do you intend to steam it?
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Sandman
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What a stunner Miles.
I've never seen anything like it. 
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logoman
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Thankyou all for the comments. I think that Stuart Turner only made this engine between 1925-1926, and so I guess that the boat is from that period. I do intend to steam it and sail it, so I'll replace the handrail, the masts and rigging, pressure gauge, direct the exhaust to a funnel and add a lubricator.
It's a slide valve engine, Ranger has called it a "semi-double acting". I think the timing is OK Ranger. There isn't any compresssion, but that's because the steam inlet is very loose.
I found it on Ebay, and happy to say that I think it was a real bargain.
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Roly Williams
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That's an interesting engine configuration. I've never seen one like that before. "Semi-double acting" - does that mean that each cylinder is single acting? If so, then it's just a twin single acting, surely. The unusual bit is that each cylinder has it's own crankshaft which are geared together. Interesting.
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Roly Williams
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| rangerssteamtoys wrote: | Very nice boat, just needs a cleaning.
Twin single acting cylinders linked together with gears @ 90 degrees apart. Makes a semi-double acting.
I'm not sure that it will run like that, maybe the cranks should be 180 degrees apart. One slide valve controls both so yeah, they need to be reset. I think. |
They appear to be at 90 degrees in the photo but that's because the two shafts are rotating in opposite directions. They are, in fact, at 180 degrees. If you study the photo and imagine turning one shaft to TDC, then the other one will be at BDC.
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logoman
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | rangerssteamtoys wrote: | Very nice boat, just needs a cleaning.
Twin single acting cylinders linked together with gears @ 90 degrees apart. Makes a semi-double acting.
I'm not sure that it will run like that, maybe the cranks should be 180 degrees apart. One slide valve controls both so yeah, they need to be reset. I think. |
They appear to be at 90 degrees in the photo but that's because the two shafts are rotating in opposite directions. They are, in fact, at 180 degrees. If you study the photo and imagine turning one shaft to TDC, then the other one will be at BDC. |
you're perfectly right Roly.
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rangerssteamtoys
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | rangerssteamtoys wrote: | Very nice boat, just needs a cleaning.
Twin single acting cylinders linked together with gears @ 90 degrees apart. Makes a semi-double acting.
I'm not sure that it will run like that, maybe the cranks should be 180 degrees apart. One slide valve controls both so yeah, they need to be reset. I think. |
They appear to be at 90 degrees in the photo but that's because the two shafts are rotating in opposite directions. They are, in fact, at 180 degrees. If you study the photo and imagine turning one shaft to TDC, then the other one will be at BDC. |
Ok, I knew either I would be right or someone would correct me. It still looks weird.
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johnreid
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I know how you feel Ranger, most times I am either right, or I am wrong, not a lot imbetween 
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redryder
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Yes, 180 degrees apart is correct and you have the equivalent of a double acting single cylinder engine. That is a nice rare engine and boat you have. It is a very nice addition to your collection.
Congratulations !!!!
Gil
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logoman
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Thanks Gil.
Here are a couple of photos of Torpedo Boat Destroyers from 1887 -1897.
HMS Hunter
HMS Ranger
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Keith S
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What odd configurations early steamships went through before reaching their now familiar appearance. Having a cannon on the bridge must have been a little awkward for the gunner and the officers. I can't wait to see the model in action.
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Keith S
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | That's an interesting engine configuration. I've never seen one like that before. "Semi-double acting" - does that mean that each cylinder is single acting? If so, then it's just a twin single acting, surely. The unusual bit is that each cylinder has it's own crankshaft which are geared together. Interesting. |
I was thinking about it and "semi double-acting" is kind of accurate. There appears to be a fairly normal double-acting valve chest on top, with each side going to a single-acting cylinder with a common exhaust. It's like one and a half engines, not really a twin because they share a common valve chest, not really a single because there are two cylinders. I've never seen anything like that before.
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logoman
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| Keith S wrote: | | What odd configurations early steamships went through before reaching their now familiar appearance. Having a cannon on the bridge must have been a little awkward for the gunner and the officers. I can't wait to see the model in action. |
This is the period of Naval design that really interests me. I'm fascinated by the ships of la Belle Epoque. I'll start a thread about this.
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rangerssteamtoys
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| logoman wrote: | Thanks Gil.
HMS Ranger
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Now thats my type of boat I really like that name of that boat
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logoman
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| rangerssteamtoys wrote: | | logoman wrote: |
HMS Ranger
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Now thats my type of boat I really like that name of that boat |
especially for you mate.
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mogogear
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| rangerssteamtoys wrote: | | Roly Williams wrote: | | rangerssteamtoys wrote: | Very nice boat, just needs a cleaning.
Twin single acting cylinders linked together with gears @ 90 degrees apart. Makes a semi-double acting.
I'm not sure that it will run like that, maybe the cranks should be 180 degrees apart. One slide valve controls both so yeah, they need to be reset. I think. |
They appear to be at 90 degrees in the photo but that's because the two shafts are rotating in opposite directions. They are, in fact, at 180 degrees. If you study the photo and imagine turning one shaft to TDC, then the other one will be at BDC. |
Ok, I knew either I would be right or someone would correct me. It still looks weird. |
It's Ok there Ranger- Stiff upper lip and all that old chap!! 
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mogogear
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The engine just seems a basic Sirius Stuart but with the pistons turns 90 degrees in opposing directions. So it has a engine not unlike MR O's mated- Jensens. A simple re-arrangement really ..I bet this wonderful ancestor will cut a wake!!
I do now see Miles the hull is in fact wood, is it not? I have to say again how splendid it is in it's simplicity -that matches the simplicity of the full scale its is based on.
My wife is just not going to like it when i suggest we move to England so I can better shop for steam boats
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Les
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What a wonderful buy, you must be pleased as punch with it.
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