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There is a code here in Australia on products that supports terrorists!!!!!

Have you ever seen this symbol on your food products?

The LHS symbol is that of the - HALAL CERTIFICATION AUTHORITY - AUSTRALIA

This is a Muslim Association that collects money from the Australian Food Industry for this symbol so that Muslims will purchase the product. Yet we are told the Muslim population are only one and a half percent of Australia's total!

On a recent radio talk-back show a well known host was alerted to this practice. He hit a stone wall when trying to find out HOW MUCH money was paid to this organization and WHERE the money went.

It was explained that by buying those marked products at least you are supporting a religion that is actively trying to destroy the Australian way of life or at the other extreme the money MAY be supporting terrorism

Many Australian Companies are paying this money including BEGA, CADBURY and many other well known companies. Check before you buy.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING?

Sandman

I will leave this post for the moment, but I have to say I'm not comfortable with it.

These are very emotive issues that I don't think should be discussed here.

We all have our views, and that's OK, but this is a truly international forum, and some subjects are better left off the agenda.

verithingeoff

Geez BK, I don't like the sound of that at all, maybe a boycott of all products carrying the logo---

Edit
I've emailed Cadbury to ask how the logo is funded

tmuir

BK that first statement is making a big jump to a conclusion.
For the record neither myself or the forum agrees with this view in your first sentence.

I know many people that eat Halal food and I can promise you they are all decent people.
I see no difference to this logo than other food saying it is safe for vegans to eat.

This forum is not a place for religious or political discussions.

Every person here is entitled to their own views but can I ask that this topic be left to drop.

johnreid

That symbol means that it is safe to eat by conforming to certain religious requirements, it is no more terroristic than Kosher products are, Kosher means approved by Jewish standards. IF your religion had restrictions and you could not know if you could consume a product, you would appreciate an easy to read symbol that tells you it is OK.
Remember that all Muslims are not terrorists, many that I have know were peace loving people that preached tolerance.
There again I know some area people around here that think I am a member of a Cult and not Christian because I am a Quaker. Extremists in any faith are bad, there are some "Christians" that stand for nothing that was taught by Jesus but instead push for Hate, IMHO they are terrorists too.

madeinenglang

"Halal" is an Arabic word that means "permitted or lawful". Halal foods are foods that are permitted under Islamic dietary guidelines that were taken from the Islamic Holy Book, the Koran. Thus, practising Muslims must avoid foods that are not Halal and the Halal certification system is designed to help them make appropriate food choices.

This is a plain appeal to prejudice and stereotypes.

with terrorism is both childish and idiotic. While current high-profile terrorist groups may be Islamic, this does not mean that all Islamic groups and companies are funding terrorism.

It is possible that an Islamic association may be supporting terrorism, but it is by no means an assumption one can freely make with no evidence whatsoever.

It is possible that I may be funding terrorism, but it would be very strange for someone to accuse me without any evidence.

This reaction is similar to seeing an Islamic person on the street, behaving perfectly innocently, and thinking “they might be a terrorist!”.

I can safely say that this is not the place

I went to a book store and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.

Dampfmaschine

On the flip side - I used to get terrible hangovers before they warned you on the beer cans to drink responsibly.

johnreid

There again, things like this need to be put out in the open as it is NOT a terrorism group but there are those who tell that it is only to stir up prejudice. We need to be educated as to what the truth is. That is how we learn.
There are some American TV and radio personalities that are just as bad or worse, and as their shows gain popularity so does hate and prejudice. It is sad that we can not trust what we see and hear on so called "News" programs, not fair and balanced at all.

madeinenglang

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Bob was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was
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She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the
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The next morning he got up early and left for work. When his wife woke
up, she looked out the window and sure enough there was a box
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Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the driveway, brought
the box back in the house.

She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale.

Bob has been missing since Friday.

redryder

The mere fact that there are fees collected and turned over to muslims certainly
does not mean that these funds fund terrorism. However a question as to
where these funds are directed is certainly in order. If anyone finds an answer please let us know.

My best guess is it's innocent.

Gil

johnreid

I believe that administrative costs. There is an American version too, IFANCA. http://www.ifanca.org/index.php

BK

Thanks for the explanation.
I didn't write that, it came as an email, just passing it on and learning.
It was not meant to hurt anyone ad if it has I sincerely apologise.

redryder

By the way while I think this is all innocent, I do hold fast and steady at zero tolerance for violent extremists of any type.

Gil

igy569

I checked. Its the Muslim equivalent of the Jewish "Kosher" symbol. Just means that their religious authorities have cleared this food as meeting the requirements of their faith's dietary laws.

MooseMan

johnreid

No need to apologize, this is how we all learn things.

redryder

johnreid

I know it costs to have Kosher approval, if thee was nobody to enforce it, people could just lie about the content and preparation

mogogear

verithingeoff

Guys this may close the piece, sorry if any of my comments caused offence---

Dear Mr Walton,

Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding the use of the Halal Certification Authority certification symbol on our products.

Cadbury is proud to make products that can be enjoyed by people of every different race, colour and creed. We are also fiercely proud of being an Australian/New Zealand business whose products are locally manufactured and exported to markets throughout South East Asia.

Because Cadbury Australia & New Zealand Ltd exports a significant amount of its product to markets in South East Asia our export sales are an essential part of business, and crucial to preserving investment and employment at our manufacturing sites in Australia and New Zealand.

One of the main reasons we carry the Halal Certification Authority symbol on our packaging is to ensure that people of Muslim faith, both here in Australia and across our export markets, can identify our products as including ingredients that meet their consumption requirements.

The inclusion of the Halal Certification Authority symbol is not intended to offend any member of the public of any cultural or religious belief; and does not prevent other faiths from being able to purchase and consume our products.

Following a number of consumer inquiries, Cadbury has written formally to the HCAA in order to seek clarification on its business activities. In response, we have received confirmation that HCAA is independently audited by both chartered commercial auditors and the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS), a federal Government agency.

The HCAA has also provided Cadbury with verbal and written assurances that it has never been engaged in supporting religious fanaticism of any kind. As such, Cadbury has total confidence in the HCAA as a reputable organisation, and regards allegations to the contrary as both misguided and false.

As a business, Cadbury was founded upon values of integrity and respect and takes a strong stance against any individual or campaign promoting racism, bigotry and disrespect.

We hope this addresses your question and any concerns you might have. Cadbury produces products that bring joy to millions of people across the world every day, and we’re determined to keep doing that.

If you have any further enquiries please do not hesitate to contact us on 1800 250 260 during business hours.

Kind regards
CADBURY PTY LTD

Tracey
Consumer Services
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Lozza1

That is a very well worded letter. It is nice to see that they took your inquirery so seriously and answered it so fully and succinctly. Thumbs up for Tracy

BK

Well done Geoff.
Now we all know.

tmuir

Now if only that radio DJ that started all this trouble would read that letter on air.......

verithingeoff

I just emailed the DJ and requested that he reads the statement on air---

Sandman

Well done Geoff.

I would just like to say that I am proud of the way our members have debated this subject.

In many forums, a subject like this would have ended in a witch hunt instead of a structured debate that ended up winkling out the truth.

This is truly an international forum.

redryder

So it appears that the fees are as innocent as can be and that they are likely just a reasonable stipend to help cover the administarive and monitoring costs. All good when it makes it easier for folks to make an informed decision about what they consume. It is worth the few extra pennies.

Gil

johnreid

Most manufacturers do not even consider such fees when determining what to charge for a product, such fees are generally considered as part of the general overhead and operating expenses.
THis type pf mark is not only for religious purposes as some marks are for Organic and Gluten Free etc.
A MAJOR big box retailer has been caught in the past for selling products labeled as being Organic etc and then were caught in the lie. It is a good thing that there is a seal of approval from a reputable organization that insures we are getting what we are paying for,
A big "News" Network in the US did a similar thing about the Halal thing a while back. It seems to be great for ratings when people get upset

tmuir

Burnmafingers

redryder