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| kusuchi |
Flieschmann 135/2 - 1956, Restored Photos.Arrived today.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....sPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009 This engine was missing the chimney, burner and ladder. It was packed in a combination of newspaper, plywood and Styrofoam. Rog would have had a heart attack. 
I was reminded of yellow jr's Clyde Puffer as Andrew and I unpacked it. My gut instinct when I bid on it, however, was based on the seller's father's obvious love for steam. Andrew and I got out the Simichrome, color restorer and Car Wax and immediately went to work. Beneath the years of rust ,dirt and grime accumulated in her attic was a truly beautiful engine. We have cleaned most of the engine tonight and are starting on the boiler. Everything is coming up perfectly, no rust, paint chips or any imperfections so far. I don't think we'll get rid of the base blemish by the fire box door and obviously there is missing paint on the fire box. Given the astonishing condition of the rest of the engine I am very tempted to repaint the firebox. Does anyone have an original paint spec for this? Whilst I am sure the seller does not have the original chimney, (the opening has a cap welded on), I will email her about the burner and the ladder which, if I'm lucky, may still be lying around the attic. 
Pictures when restoration is complete, Will fire immediately, (probably using Marklin burner). Subtle Ploy. 
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| tmuir |
Looks like a nice engine and in reasonably good condition besides the few issues you pointed out.
Will look forward to the video. |
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| Wallace |
Looks nice, and am looking forward to the resto 
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| Dampfzauberer |
Original firebox colour?
Glossy black, and that's it.... 
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| CCairns |
Is that not the way these engines came? I have the same fitting on an 120/4 which is missing a chimney as well. Look forward to seeing this engine in steam. |
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| johnreid |
The Firebox would be Glossy Black, however finding Glossy Black VHT will be a challenge. My advice is that if it isnt too rusty, all that have been fired will have a slight amount of surface rust, it might be wise to leave that part be.
The chimney would be a friction fit to the round "cap" that I believe you are referring to. Mine are not a 135/2, but built similarly, if you would Like I can provide some photos of the chimney base without the Chimney in place. I believe that removing the boiler and everything that you would need to to in order to repaint the Firebox, might be a bigger job than it looks. Restoration isnt always for the feint hearted, but true wisdom is shown by those who know when to leave it be. ( just my opinion, and my opinion and 50¢ will not even buy a cup of coffee anymore ) Only use the Marklin burner IF you decide to fire the Marklin. |
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| Cam |
coool loooooks gooood....lol too many o's!! What do you fire it on? | ||||
| johnreid |
Also remember, that thing is HUGE | ||||
| Cam |
wats ur collection made up of John? | ||||
| johnreid |
click on the www at the bottom of my posts and you can see my collection, | ||||
| kusuchi |
Ah ha. But once I use the burner, the Marklin is fired.
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| kusuchi |
Hi Mirko, As a Contractor I can pick up 50 cans of paint all labeled 'White' and none are the same. Every manufacturer's White is a different color. Is this not true for black? |
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| johnreid |
Even Fleischmann had a couple minor variances in the Black, however getting a Gloss Black that will hold up to the heat is going to be the biggest problem plus like I said before, the Fleischmann will not disassemble as easily as other makes. | ||||
| Les |
Sneaky, but not sure if that would hold up in court.
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| kusuchi |
This is what the engine looks like after one evening of intensive cleaning. 
I see the problem with disassembly, but as the steam pipe is already separated from the boiler, that will make it a lot easier. Bought a can of black gloss spray today. It's good for 1000F. Is that enough? Having tested it on a small piece of metal it is considerably glossier than the Fleischmann original. I would have to respray everything. Regardless of painting issues, it really needs to be disassembled to do a really good cleaning job. I'm sure if I take it apart I can bring the whole engine to the standard shown in the photos. Thoughts? |
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| Les |
That sure is coming up very nice. If you feel confident about taking it apart then do so but take plenty of pictures so you know how to put it back together again.
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| kusuchi |
Now cleaned up. Time for some pics.
BEFORE 
AFTER 
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| johnreid |
That will look just fine sitting next to the Marklin. Great work. Although I have never disassembled one, I have been told that the Fleischmann is a bit trickier than most for reassembly. I do like the Fleischmann engines.
First Rate job, I bet Andrew had a hand in the progress too. |
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| Dampfzauberer |
Good cleaning job, the paint looks as good as new...... but you overcleaned the boiler IMHO.
There's not much left of the bluing 
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| Les |
Very nice cleaning job, a definite improvement on what you started with.
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| IndianaRog |
Richard and Andrew...wow, you guys have done a great job with the Fleischmann...got a laugh reading the beginning of this thread..YES, plywood and newpaper packing WOULD have given me at least major indigestion if not the big one!!! Fortunately you have a jewel under the crud and it has come up quite nicely.
Perhaps you will find a Fleischmann wreck that will yield the proper chimney...there seems to be lots of them out there, so chances are good. As it is a faux chimney that doesn't get hot or pass any steam, you "could" roll a piece of tin to make a proper chimney, then cover it with a brick pattern, perhaps something from a doll house supply source...varnished well it would certainly look the part. Rog |
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| kusuchi |
Those photos were taken at high noon, something I generally don't do, as the overhead sun washes out the color and destroys the contrast. Life is aways about compromise. Whilst some of the bluing has gone, the finished piece more closely resembles Photos 2 & 3 than it does 1 and 4. Sitting on the Dining Room table under artificial light it now looks bluer than in any of these shots. |
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| johnreid |
I was going to say that I bet that the bright equatorial sun was at least part of the lighter bluing appearance. I am wondering if on mine if some Gun Bluing might touch up the spots around the Safety Valve, Filler, and Whistle where the bluing seems to be its thinest. I just havent tried it yet.
I bet that a piece of sheet metal could be bent to make an Esbit burner for that engine, but it wouldnt take too many firings to empty a box of Esbit. Fire it out doors if you decide to try that as I bet that many Esbits would set off the smoke detectors
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| kusuchi |
We did disassemble it. Given the disconnected steam pipe, that was not much of a problem. Every connection is a small screw and nut. Reassembly is the tricky part. 
You have to possess one essential tool.
Andrew.
Particularly on the Boiler straps and the Gallery mounts you need someone with small enough fingers to hold the 3/16 " diameter nuts in place at the top of the firebox while you start the screws. This has to be done with the boiler in place.
I can see why people shy away from this, but when you beget the right tools, it's not such a problem.
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| kusuchi |
Thanks Rog, You're right, a chimney would be great, the crowning glory. I have e mailed the seller about the ladder and burner. She obviously knows little about steam, but has great respect for her (late?) Father's interest. I am extremely pleased with the way this one came out. When I won it, and even when it arrived I had low expectations. Andrew helped me every step of the way and remember, it is still less than two days since this arrived.
I'm ecstatic
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| kusuchi |
OK, I'm from England. We don't have the right to arm bears, so essential to the American way of life. What, pray, is Gun bluing. Sounds like we might have the clouds silver lining here.
I'm going to use the Marklin burner if it fits. There is a built in tray under the firebox to accommodate the burner. It is open to below allowing air to be drawn from underneath the base |
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| johnreid |
http://www.birchwoodcasey.com/sport/index.html
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| kusuchi |
[quote="johnreid"]http://www.birchwoodcasey.com/sport/index.html
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Great link John, I'll have to study it more closely to see what I need.. |
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| johnreid |
I am just wondering of it would work for my needs, I believe that Mirko was using it on one of his engines. | ||||
| Wallace |
Richard the cleaned up pics look great.
Well done to you and Andrew |
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| steamyjim |
Im sure i posted in here...has it been removed? Not wanting to start an argument just wondering
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| Wallace |
Just checked the log and no posts have been removed | ||||
| steamyjim |
OK, I must of made an error pressing submit or something. I am a fool sometimes
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| johnreid |
About 15 seconds of Paintshop magic
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| kusuchi |
Fantastic,
Thanks John, But I just went to look at it and someone's already stolen your chimney
Guess they're really in demand.
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| kusuchi |
That's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to use a short length of 1 5/8" 25 ga metal track, bend up the ends, leave a tab for a handle and fabricate feet so the top of the esbit sits at the same height as the spirit burner. How many tablets should I design the tray for? As a single layer the firebox would hold a maximum of nine. This burner would be almost exactly the same size as the original spirit burner. Steam pipe re soldered successfully to safety valve today. Replacement chimney ordered from Chas: 
Will be ready to go real soon.
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| johnreid |
I really dont know if the Esbit burner needs to be as tall as the Meths burner. | ||||
| kusuchi |
Thanks, Advice please, how many Esbit?, how close to the boiler? Boiler is 8 cm diameter and 23.4 cm long. |
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| johnreid |
I will measure my burners for the 122/4s in the morning. THey leave the Esbit only the thickness of the burner off of the base. Same for my Mamod SE3, the Esbit burner is just a piece of sheet metal that lays on the base,
Is there a seam on the bottom of the Boiler on that one? Just a reminder they are NOT engines to ever run dry. I will photo the burners and one chimney for color reference in the morning. |
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| kusuchi |
Thanks John, I don't see a seam. But the base plate is designed to take a 14cm X 5cm burner. |
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| Mister Occlusion |
Can't believe it's the same engine. I clear forgot to watch the end of that one (and I had a small marker bid on it too...so much for my attention span )
Grand looking machines, those big Fleischmanns. |
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| Atticman |
Thats lovely Richard, rather more speedy than my restos
theres a thread about bluing- Reid did get a good finish on his Wilesco, but I think Mr O is trying it out also. The main problem with bluing is that it isnt very perminant, though Reid got it to stay on after boiling the boiler in a solution .
Afraid there isnt a good answer to it as yet, but I fancy Reid was onto it before he disappeared 
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| toxx |
... Richard, you did a wonderful job! Gratuliere, mein Freund! What a Grand Machine! Could you fire her with meths? After all your effort, it would (TMM) be a shame to dirty up the fine lady's belly with Esbit.
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| kusuchi |
Here is a picture of the 1956 edition I have from the Fleischman website: http://translate.google.com/trans...ir=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 
Looking at the boiler finish in this picture I'm inclined to leave mine alone. Other years appear considerably darker. |
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| kusuchi |
Tom, I'd love to. Just got my 67/68 TE1A back on meths last night (Thank you John). Any ideas for a burner? This is the original. 
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| johnreid |
I am not trying to move things off topic, so I will well kinda
Here is the Fleischmann Esbit burner that goes with my 122/2, I am showing it next tot he Firebox so you can compare length etc. 
Now, the color of the Chimney, in bright light 
And just because I took this one I threw it in and you can compare bluing color etc with bright light as the lighting does affect how Blue it appears, I dont think any of these were ever a real dark blue. 
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| toxx |
H'llo, Richard!
I've one of these, it works just fine and can be made to burn practically forever by refilling with meths via the little pot that also functions as a handle/ grip: http://www.dampfbrenner.de/html/dauerbrenner.html The gentleman who makes these understands English.
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| kusuchi |
Tom, you're a star
Brenner fur dampfmaschine. Do you recommend the 120mm for this engine? |
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| steamgranny |
Another fine addition that has cleaned up beautifully
And I've also purchased meths burners from this gentleman, that work very well, although without the useful refill pot (didn't realize what it was at the time!  ) & it was a pleasure to do business  Only drawback, he doesn't have Paypal but sent burners before my payment arrived
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| kusuchi |
Thanks Alicia,
No Paypal will definitely complicate things. Still I'm glad he understands English. (Not sure I do all the time these days )
My German is awful. I have been corresponding with the seller and was sending her pictures as the renovation proceeded. Here is one of her responses: "Dear Richard, Thank you so much for the lovely photos. It is great to see this engine in such great form. My father would be pleased. This is not a hobby of mine and what I really hope for when I sell something like this from my house is that it goes to someone who will appreciate and care for it. Obviously you are that person! You have made my day. I will be on the lookout for the missing pieces but I do not recall seeing them anywhere. If I find them I will let you know. Thanks again for the photos and best wishes with the engine. Kind regards, Susan & Randolph" I got the impression this piece had been languishing in the attic for at least twenty years. After a long dormancy she finally became active tonight.
Video in twenty minutes. |
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| kusuchi |
Wow
Good looking engine John. 
Even though it's not really dark, the blueing on mine was never that deep. Saw the burner, but not really sure of the scale. We ran the 135/2 tonight using Esbit. I made my own burner. We filled the boiler 2/3 full and ran it four times with 7 tablets each run. The boiler had nearly a quart of water in it.
We still had almost half a boiler of water at the end. Am going to buy one of Tom's Meth's burners. Andrew has become a purist. He wants meths for everything.
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