Wallace
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Flying Scotsman in OZ, 1988I'd like to say that seeing this Loco in OZ, back when I was 12, started me on steam.
But it didn't. All I remember is Dad filiming it up and down the NSW coast, and having that feeling "this is boring" 
Probably coupled with "can we go home, when are we going home"
If only I could see it now 
The following pics were taken at a town called paterson. The ride went from Maitland, to Paterson (no idea how long, 30mins?) and back. These pics were taken at the turnaround (I'm sure there is a term for that)
It was coulped with a OZ engine, the 3801. I did go on it, but sadly back then, well as above "can we go yet"
The one chance in my life, and I couldn't care about it. Yes I'm kicking myself for seeing it that way 
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Graham-Jilly
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and followed by are we there yet 
great pics mate
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Mamodman123
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1988  I was only a year old
Great pictures Wallace, is that you in the blue t-shirt looking really really annoyed?
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Wallace
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LOL. very true, it probably was said.
I wonder what postage to OZ cost
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Mamodman123
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j | Wallace wrote: | LOL. very true, it probably was said.
I wonder what postage to OZ cost |
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Graham-Jilly
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I would hate to guess mate
more than Ill see in a lifetime I sure 
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Steve_S
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Great pictures Wallace. 4472 must be the most photographed loco in the world, and the most widely travelled too. (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong!)
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IndianaRog
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Wallace, those were awesome photos. Though I have heard of the engine countless times and probably saw a pic or two, it is nice to see some quality photos up close and personal.
Dumb question, but did they just load that on a ship and haul it to OZ for publicity runs??? Just getting it on and off a ship would be something to see. Imagine that engine dangling from a crane!!!
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V8Nick
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| IndianaRog wrote: | | Imagine that engine dangling from a crane!!! |
I have see such a photo! Alas, I cannot remember where, and can't find it online.
So "The Scotsman" was in Oz in 1988.
That explains why there were no photos of her side by side with "Mallard", which was celibrating the 50th aniversary of its record-breaking run in 1988, with a pack of railtours all over the UK.
I wanted to go on one of the railtours soooo badly, but the prices were extortionate! (especially for a 14yr old lad).
I did get the video though!
Cheers, Nick
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James
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DONCASTER!!!!!!!!!
We're Doncaster
We're Doncaster
We're wonderful
We're wonderful
Oh Doncaster is wonderful!
It's full of tits, fannys and chips
Oh Doncatser is wonderful!
Great pics Wallace.
My old man's mate was fireman on it on that tour!!
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MTA
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I have a book somewhere in my 'pit' aka bedroom with loads of pictures detailing 4472's service from the time it was built until 199?. It has quite a few pictures of 4472 in the USA and Oz, along with some details  If I find it, I'll post up some details if anyone wants them
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MTA
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For copyright purposes: 'The World's Most Famous Steam Locomotive', Finial Publishing, 1997.
Information taken from the 'Chronology':
Oz tour
27 February 1988
Moved to Southall for overhaul in preparation for Australian tour. Estimated distance run since December 1985 13,500 miles. Driving Wheels re-tyred. Air Brake and electric lights fitted. Steam heat and AWS disconnected.
12 September - 16 October 1988
Shipped from Tilbury to Sydney. Insured for £1,000,000.
25 October 1988
First public run in Australia.
October - December 1988
Victoria tour. Fitted with Australian chime whistle below the footplate until return to Britain.
December 1988 - March 1989
New South Wales tour.
March 1989
Queensland tour to Brisbane.
April - July 1989
New South Wales and Victoria tour.
6 August - 2 September 1989
South Australia and Northern Territory tour to Alice Springs. 4000 miles in 25 days.
8 August 1989
World record non-stop run by steam. Parkes to Broken Hill. 422 miles 7.59 chains in 9 hours 25 minutes with 535 tons gross. Seven British and Australian drivers used.
9 September - 21 October 1989
Western Australia tour to Perth. Hauled 780 tons unassisted across the Nullarbor Plain. Total distance run in Australia approximately 28,000 miles.
12 November - 14 December 1989
Shipped from Sydney to Tilbury via New Zealand and Cape Horn, completing the first known circumnavigation of the World by a locomotive.
I would put up details of the USA tour, but of course this is an Oz thread
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Lewis
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i have a video of when the flying scotman went to austrialia
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Wallace
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Cheers for all the comments.
Yeah I've seen pics or a video of it from a crane, when it came to OZ.
Steve, I agree, seems to be very much photgraphed. To me, it, and the 3801 (the oz engines) are the 2 most well known here.
Rog, well yeah was shipped to OZ. I'd have to see the video again, but I have a feeling it wasn't brought here totally complete. I am probably wrong, but I recall it did have parts taken off it for the trip, but don't know why.
1988 Was Australia's Bicentennary. 200years since it was settled.
I think one of the ultimate photos of it here, would be of it crossing the Sydney harbour bridge, which it did do.
The pics scanned well. For reasons unknown to me, they were standard 6x4" photos, I scanned for original size, then they came out massive. Had to resize for here
V8nick. Suprisingly the cost here was pretty good.
James, your old mans mate was a fireman on that tour? That would have been great. I have 2 pics I didn't scan of some oldmates in the cab. I'll have tod do them, to see if one was him.
MTA, thanks a lot for the tour dates. That tells me the above pics would have actuaky been in 1989. As Maitland has steamfest in April.
Lewis, that might be the same video my old man has
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Wallace
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MTA, just looking at those tour dates. Our Bicentennary was celebrated on Australia Day. 26th Jan, 1988.
Looks like the flying scotsman got here a month later. I wonder if it got delayed in the trip, as I would have thought it would be here for the celebrations
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MTA
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| Wallace wrote: | MTA, just looking at those tour dates. Our Bicentennary was celebrated on Australia Day. 26th Jan, 1988.
Looks like the flying scotsman got here a month later. I wonder if it got delayed in the trip, as I would have thought it would be here for the celebrations |
Just flicked through the book again, it actually says about the Australian bicentennary:
"In 1988, the celebration of Australia's Bi-Centennial Year brought together a group of like-minded people who were convinced that a railway display should form a principal part of the celebrations, because of the importance of the 'iron road' in the development of Australia as a nation."
So you got it in one there Wallace, although the shipping wasn't late. The owner of 4472 at the time, Bill McAlpine, demanded that he would only send it to Oz if "cast-iron financial guarantees had been received about funding and for transporting the locomotive to the other side of the world and back". 4472 had an overhaul between 27 February 1988 and 14 August 1988. Then 4472 undertook running in turns and a couple of mainline tours, before being shipped to Oz on the 11th September 1988
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James
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11th September! Meine geburstag!
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SillyBilly
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Austrailia, not Germany!
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Lewis
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| Wallace wrote: | Cheers for all the comments.
Yeah I've seen pics or a video of it from a crane, when it came to OZ.
Steve, I agree, seems to be very much photgraphed. To me, it, and the 3801 (the oz engines) are the 2 most well known here.
Rog, well yeah was shipped to OZ. I'd have to see the video again, but I have a feeling it wasn't brought here totally complete. I am probably wrong, but I recall it did have parts taken off it for the trip, but don't know why.
1988 Was Australia's Bicentennary. 200years since it was settled.
I think one of the ultimate photos of it here, would be of it crossing the Sydney harbour bridge, which it did do.
The pics scanned well. For reasons unknown to me, they were standard 6x4" photos, I scanned for original size, then they came out massive. Had to resize for here
V8nick. Suprisingly the cost here was pretty good.
James, your old mans mate was a fireman on that tour? That would have been great. I have 2 pics I didn't scan of some oldmates in the cab. I'll have tod do them, to see if one was him.
MTA, thanks a lot for the tour dates. That tells me the above pics would have actuaky been in 1989. As Maitland has steamfest in April.
Lewis, that might be the same video my old man has |
is it a double casette ? with a blue cover
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James
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Nein, 11st September ist mein geburstag!! Es ist zutreffend!!
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tree ted
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Worst thing is the dam thing came home. I know when she was shipped to America she went out of Liverpool.
On the return from (I think) Oz she was welded to the ships deck. Shame the dam thing didnt sink.
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steamyman
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wonderful pics Wallace!
It (4472) came my way in Easter 1989. The only way I knew about it was on the news.
I wasn't interested in trains in '89 that much, as I am now.
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steamyman
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btw- 1 of it's drivers ,now lives in Oz.
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Wallace
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Lewis I think it is a double cassette. I'll check it out when I'm over there next.
MTA, thanks for the extra info.
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Wallace
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| tree ted wrote: | Worst thing is the dam thing came home. I know when she was shipped to America she went out of Liverpool.
On the return from (I think) Oz she was welded to the ships deck. Shame the dam thing didnt sink. |
I take it your not a fan of it mate
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steamyman
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W u wrote-
Lewis I think it is a double cassette. I'll check it out when I'm over there next.
I can confirm, It's a single video. I own the same tape.
C
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tree ted
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| Wallace wrote: | | tree ted wrote: | Worst thing is the dam thing came home. I know when she was shipped to America she went out of Liverpool.
On the return from (I think) Oz she was welded to the ships deck. Shame the dam thing didnt sink. |
I take it your not a fan of it mate |
Over hyped pile of junk if you ask me. Im not a GWR fan they only ever built 3 locos proerly and they are narrow guage but everyone knows 3440 was the 1st loco to do 100mph so why all the fuss about some green thing that has cost millions more than anything else and sent a few of its owners bankrupt. Plus the fact that the NRM spent far to much on it. Money that could be better spent on other locos.
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MTA
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| tree ted wrote: | | Wallace wrote: | | tree ted wrote: | Worst thing is the dam thing came home. I know when she was shipped to America she went out of Liverpool.
On the return from (I think) Oz she was welded to the ships deck. Shame the dam thing didnt sink. |
I take it your not a fan of it mate |
Over hyped pile of junk if you ask me. Im not a GWR fan they only ever built 3 locos proerly and they are narrow guage but everyone knows 3440 was the 1st loco to do 100mph so why all the fuss about some green thing that has cost millions more than anything else and sent a few of its owners bankrupt. Plus the fact that the NRM spent far to much on it. Money that could be better spent on other locos. |
So very true Of course, 3440's 'ton' was never officially recorded I find it stupid how 4472 is in LNER livery with the german style smoke deflectors. She only carried them in BR livery! 
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SillyBilly
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I find it stupid that everyone makes a fuss over it! Where as we have some querky unique locos that no one's interested. 4472 is over rated, ok, it looks nice and I'll by some memrobilia, but it's nt worth £2.3M, IMHO!
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Lewis
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| steamyman wrote: | W u wrote-
Lewis I think it is a double cassette. I'll check it out when I'm over there next.
I can confirm, It's a single video. I own the same tape.
C |
its a double casette mate well mine is
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Lewis
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the real steam engine heroes where the heavy haullers such as the garratts and 9fs the ones that kept the wheels of industry turning without them everything would have ground to a standstill
dont get me round all british steam is the best but in my opinion the frieght engines where the best such a shame they got rid of some of the best engines
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MTA
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| Lewis wrote: | the real steam engine heroes where the heavy haullers such as the garratts and 9fs the ones that kept the wheels of industry turning without them everything would have ground to a standstill
dont get me round all british steam is the best but in my opinion the frieght engines where the best such a shame they got rid of some of the best engines |
Very emotive words there Lewis.
LONG LIVE BRITISH STEAM
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tree ted
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| Lewis wrote: | the real steam engine heroes where the heavy haullers such as the garratts and 9fs the ones that kept the wheels of industry turning without them everything would have ground to a standstill
dont get me round all british steam is the best but in my opinion the frieght engines where the best such a shame they got rid of some of the best engines |
Spot on Lewis in my eyes Id rather have a J94 anyday. at least on the subject of garratts the Welsh Highland have got the original back in action. Other thing that realy anoys me is the way the NRM acted over the Class 56. Oh its just a diesel we dont want it was the basic attitude look at the work theyve put in over the last 25years, kept many a power station and therefore the country going.
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MTA
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Not to sure about the NRM TBH. A friend of mine (Anthony Coulls, Head of Collections at NRM Shildon) was most helpful in asking about if the LSWR M7 drawings they have were accessible. Although when I contacted the NRM via the main site, I got a very blunt reply saying "No, you can't have them" 
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James
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I know nowt about trains but I'll sum up what I do know in this sentence:
Flying Scotsman and Mallard are reet nice locos, the rest are shit.
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SillyBilly
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No, your only saying that from a non-enthusiast point of view, and therefore they are britans most famous locos. They are shit, you want to like somthing diffrent which is impressive and has bags of history.
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tree ted
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| James wrote: | I know nowt about trains but I'll sum up what I do know in this sentence:
Flying Scotsman and Mallard are reet nice locos, the rest are shit. |
Yep that proved your point. Mallard I have respect for. If you realy want a proper passenger loco that is worth having a Duchess is the way forward. Says somthing when they could never test how powerful they were as the fireman couldnt keep up with it.
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James
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Mallard is blue though Blue is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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James
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Mallard is blue though Blue is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
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James
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And just cos I don't know every train number, name, and place the driver popped his clogs, don't mean I can't say what I do and don't like!
Steve- Good man, Mallard is reet good
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SillyBilly
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'Britmomart' is blue!!!
And that is one hell of a loco, and it's a proper WORKING loco!
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tree ted
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| James wrote: | And just cos I don't know every train number, name, and place the driver popped his clogs, don't mean I can't say what I do and don't like!
Steve- Good man, Mallard is reet good |
Everyone is alowed their own opinions its just some are informed opinions and others arnt.
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James
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A trains a trains a train to me lad!
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tree ted
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| James wrote: | | A trains a trains a train to me lad! |
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James
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It's a working loco cos it is not famous and nobody has ever heard of it
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tree ted
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| James wrote: | | It's a working loco cos it is not famous and nobody has ever heard of it |
I have thats 1 of the dinowic quarry hunslets at Llanberris same colour as the 1 soph wanted till she seen the silver lady last week
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James
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Aye lad, but like I say you know every train under the sun
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tree ted
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i dont know that many kettles arnt my biggest knowlege
rite im off 2 bed now 
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James
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Night mate, I might consider going after I have calmed down seeing what I just saw sheep lass do on webcam
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SillyBilly
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Nobody could, 'cos:
1. There's to many
2. Some have no names
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James
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Name em
Boris the Loco
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SillyBilly
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Sid
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James
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Eric and Earnest (after me 2 tuppy tups)
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SillyBilly
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FRED!
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James
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Donny!
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SillyBilly
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DAVE!
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James
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MORGAN
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Lewis
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| James wrote: | I know nowt about trains but I'll sum up what I do know in this sentence:
Flying Scotsman and Mallard are reet nice locos, the rest are shit. |
how dare you
shows you dont know about locos 
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James
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What I don't know about locos, I know about girls, so shut up 
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Lewis
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| James wrote: | | What I don't know about locos, I know about girls, so shut up |
why dont you make me
who cares if you know about girls thats all you go on about
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James
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Aye, cos I ain't a bender
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Lewis
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| James wrote: | | Aye, cos I ain't a bender |
niether am i
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James
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I didn;t suggest that!
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Lewis
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| James wrote: | | I didn;t suggest that! |
apart from on msn for the last days
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James
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Lewis come on, I know you ain't gay!
But your boyfriend is
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Lewis
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| James wrote: |
Lewis come on, I know you ain't gay!
yes im not gay
and i have no boyfriend
But your boyfriend is |
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V8Nick
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Right, I've been a big fan of the Gresley Pacifics for many years, and though I'm pleased that 4472 is the most famous loco in the world, I don't really understand why ??? 
But to say that it isn't deserving of spending the money on it to a bit harsh, as she is the last of her class (that alone should justify the expenditure). Whereas the GWR are very well represented on the preserved lines, thanks in no small part to Dai Woodham.
Cheers, Nick
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