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Hope you like it, it's a real brilliant runner, wait till you see the forward, stop, reverse in action. Quality kit mate. IndianaRog Hi James, Well...glad your Jensen 75 showed up in good nick on your doorstep...strange how that worked out!!! If it didn't come with a fuel tray, maybe you can line your Jensen 76 unfired tray with a bit of aluminum foil to protect it and give that engine a firing Cheers, Roger James Rog, it is all complete. Burner, chimney, even the limescale has been washed out the boiler! Sorry for messing you around mate IndianaRog No problem James, glad you got things in good order and boiler rinse by seller is a bonus...usually they send the lime and sometimes the water too!!! cheers, Rog James It's a lot bigger than I thought it would be Just oiled her up. Seller packaged really well! Had them foam noodles, bubble wrap, air pocket thingys, everything. Real happy. This one WILL be fired Griffin Nice one James Look forward to the pics. Just thought, can you work the camera one handed? If not will have to wait. James I use my old man's phone to take pics and vids mate, so I should be ok. Can't wait to steam her Griffin James wrote: I use my old man's phone to take pics and vids mate, so I should be ok. Can't wait to steam her One handed steaming, that will be fun You will be able to work the whistles with you pot and not burn your fingers James Might get the old man to steam it for me. Mamodman123 James wrote: I use my old man's phone to take pics and vids mate, so I should be ok. Can't wait to steam her Get some pictures up James James Hold on! I tell thee. Everyone must buy one of these. I say it: They kick the arse off Wilesco and Mamod This was was worth getting skint for James http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAP...em=330097714775&rd=1&rd=1 Mamodman123 James wrote: Hold on! I tell thee. Everyone must buy one of these. I say it: They kick the arse off Wilesco and Mamod This was was worth getting skint for Nope! James Wilesco fan are we MM? Mamodman123 James wrote: Wilesco fan are we MM? No, but they don't kick the arse off Mamod! That's too far! they look nice engines but nothing more MTA James wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAP...em=330097714775&rd=1&rd=1 I'm still yet to be persuaded by a Jensen. I don't like them to be honest. There's just something about them I don't like, not sure what... Maybe Jensensteamman can give me a list of reasons to like them Mamodman123 MTA wrote: James wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAP...em=330097714775&rd=1&rd=1 I'm still yet to be persuaded by a Jensen. I don't like them to be honest. There's just something about them I don't like, not sure what... Maybe Jensensteamman can give me a list of reasons to like them Exactly my point They look ok James, but one week it's Mamod, then Wilesco, now Jensen James Aye. I seem to have bought them in an order where they get better than the last. I'm on about the current ranges MM, not the old. Mamod DO kick arse in the old range! Mamodman123 James wrote: Aye. I seem to have bought them in an order where they get better than the last. I'm on about the current ranges MM, not the old. Mamod DO kick arse in the old range! When was that Jensen made? bessytractor the one with Stephensons link motion I WANT ONE!!!! alternatively I could get on and machine my Rob Roys cylinders, but why bother when a Jensen 75 could be had? James Aye MM, this one is 50's but the ones made today are EXACTLY the same. Aye mate, buy one of these! You won't be disapointed Mamodman123 James wrote: Aye MM, this one is 50's but the ones made today are EXACTLY the same. Aye mate, buy one of these! You won't be disapointed So how and why are you comparing to new Mamods? You have to compare that 50's Jensen to a 50'sMamod mate! The main thing is you like it and I look forward ti seeing it run! MTA bessytractor wrote: the one with Stephensons link motion I WANT ONE!!!! alternatively I could get on and machine my Rob Roys cylinders, but why bother when a Jensen 75 could be had? The Rob Roy is a clear winner against a Jensen! James No MM! They are the same now as then! Nothing has changed apart from the paint on the firebox! Mamodman123 James wrote: No MM! They are the same now as then! Nothing has changed apart from the paint on the firebox! Still! you can't compare that 50's Jensen. Reguardless of whether they have changed or not! Stick a brand new Jensen next to a brand new Mamod then it's only fair! oldstuff I think James is giving you an idea of the quality of a new Jensen, in that it compares with Mamod quality of the past. Right James? Mamodman123 oldstuff wrote: I think James is giving you an idea of the quality of a new Jensen, in that it compares with Mamod quality of the past. Right James? Maybe so... but for it to be fair you need two engines from the same age. . Maybe Jensens still have the quality they did 50 years ago, but it's not really that fair to compare with a new Mamod in my opinion JensenSteamMan MTA wrote: James wrote: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAP...em=330097714775&rd=1&rd=1 I'm still yet to be persuaded by a Jensen. I don't like them to be honest. There's just something about them I don't like, not sure what... Maybe Jensensteamman can give me a list of reasons to like them well you could check out previous Jensen posts..... Just ask James he will tell you the same as me JensenSteamMan James wrote: No MM! They are the same now as then! Nothing has changed apart from the paint on the firebox! and the handles are different -Casey oldstuff Yes, we clearly see you feel that way. JensenSteamMan Mamodman123 wrote: oldstuff wrote: I think James is giving you an idea of the quality of a new Jensen, in that it compares with Mamod quality of the past. Right James? Maybe so... but for it to be fair you need two engines from the same age. . Maybe Jensens still have the quality they did 50 years ago, but it's not really that fair to compare with a new Mamod in my opinion Was Yosa's #75 a brand new one? Cheers, Casey Mamodman123 JensenSteamMan wrote: Mamodman123 wrote: oldstuff wrote: I think James is giving you an idea of the quality of a new Jensen, in that it compares with Mamod quality of the past. Right James? Maybe so... but for it to be fair you need two engines from the same age. . Maybe Jensens still have the quality they did 50 years ago, but it's not really that fair to compare with a new Mamod in my opinion What Yosa's #75 a brand new one? Cheers, Casey I have a theory... Cast Iron is cheap, and has been for the past god knows how many years. Hence why these materials were cheap, and are cheap to this very day. Hence 'the same quality now since first produced' Prices would not have risen to the extent they had to change something. Mamod had to change as the amount of brass on an SE4 is far too expensive to produce these days. Hence why Mamod had to change their designs JensenSteamMan MM.... the #75 doesnt have any cast iron. The "new" hobby line engines are what Mr.Jensen came out with in the 60's and 70's when Jensen was in hard times. So the hobby line engines are the change in the design that Jensen had to do. But quality was still retained to a high level. (MODERN mamods didnt seem to do that with their redesign, i guess that was because they were sold out/ traded hands or was that before?) I quote Steve (Sales manager for Jensen) aka Cedge about experimenting with ball bearings on Jensen Collector engines (cast iron bases) "What we found was that the oil absorbed by natual cast iron creates a very desirable bearing surface." what is better than cast iron for a bearing surface? (in a toy engine) I guess babbit bearings would be better, but I dont think its needed on a toy engine. Cheers, Casey Mamodman123 Yes but the only reason mamod changed the quality of their engines is because of the brass componants they have to use/ the cost of labour in England! It's either that or charge a stupid amount of money for each model! If you put the price of a mamod Sp5 and a Wilesco D whatever, and the largest Jensen beside eachother the prices will differ by hundreds of pounds! If mamod wanted to make an expensive TOY that costs 400 pounds i'm sure they could. At the moment they are obviously happy to make toy steam engines at an affordable price JensenSteamMan Mamodman123 wrote: Yes but the only reason mamod changed the quality of their engines is because of the brass componants they have to use/ the cost of labour in England! It's either that or charge a stupid amount of money for each model! If you put the price of a mamod Sp5 and a Wilesco D whatever, and the largest Jensen beside eachother the prices will differ by hundreds of pounds! If mamod wanted to make an expensive TOY that costs 400 pounds i'm sure they could. At the moment they are obviously happy to make toy steam engines at an affordable price we are discussing the #75..... not a 400pound peice...... Mamod nor wilesco makes anything that compares to the upper level Jensen's currently..... the #75 (low cost) has the same displacement as the D22 Wilesco (high cost) and it has proper reverse linkage I have always found that comparing a Jensen to a SIMILAR Mamod or Wilesco is cheaper, and with more displacement and better quality. but anyways, this post is about James #75.... not about going over Jensen's value again... so lets leave it at this -Casey Manxman Oh here we go again. Please stop it's like Groundhog Day. All engines are ok. If Jensen made a mobile, I'd get one. It's ok for James to like his newest engine and it's ok for MM to stick with his views of Mamod. Both have a place. Lets keep it light. James Just done a vid Mamodman123 I was discussing the 76 untill someone started it all off again Ok maybe they are better quality than the new mamods but you can't compare an OLD Jensen to a new mamod. Its like comparing an old mamod to a new Jensen, no competition James The #76 is a different engine MM, I have it Mamodman123 James wrote: The #76 is a different engine MM, I have it Thats what happens when there are no pictures hint hint James Sorry about the vid, it is poor quality, because it was right at the end of a run, AND my arm is in a pot Cedge MM... You really don't want to do the 50 year Jensen comparison. That predates the hobby line when every jensen was of manly macho cast iron, wrought by the hands of Tom Sr....(grin) The #75 Jensen engine James has is from the very early 1960's and is a worthy comparison for any era engine you choose. 10 20 50 years... take your pick.....(grin). I think its an apples to oranges comparison when the scales and displacements just too far apart for it to work. The only change were the firebox material which we readily note to be a problem that we hope to cure soon. What I don't quite understand is the almost bitter resentment of others collecting beyond the Mamod engines. One would think it was a personal affront. I still say enjoy the engines you own or hope to own, no matter who made them. What am i missing here? MTA.... MM... just so you know... there are Jensen Collectors who are your twin, at least where product loyalty is concerned. They apparently love a Jensen much as you seem to love your Mamods. Steve Mamodman123 Cedge wrote: MM... You really don't want to do the 50 year Jensen comparison. That predates the hobby line when every jensen was of manly macho cast iron, wrought by the hands of Tom Sr....(grin) The #75 Jensen engine James has is from the very early 1960's and is a worthy comparison for any era engine you choose. 10 20 50 years... take your pick.....(grin). I think its an apples to oranges comparison when the scales and displacements just too far apart for it to work. The only change were the firebox material which we readily note to be a problem that we hope to cure soon. What I don't quite understand is the almost bitter resentment of others collecting beyond the Mamod engines. One would think it was a personal affront. I still say enjoy the engines you own or hope to own, no matter who made them. What am i missing here? MTA.... MM... just so you know... there are Jensen Collectors who are your twin, at least where product loyalty is concerned. They apparently love a Jensen much as you seem to love your Mamods. Steve I said earlier as long as the engine makes you happy thats all that matters and i look forward to seeing it in action.... So ummm no not really "bitter resentment" Anyway its only an opinion Jensens do nothing for me, I'm yet to see anything from Jensen that does so thats about it really . You're paid by Jensen anyway, you're hardly going to start ripping Jensen apart even if their new engines were shit! Now where's this video Jimbo? James Video board. Calm it guys. Please. JensenSteamMan I would buy a older Mamod if I could find one for a decent price. Especially the very early ones/ Hobbies (they kind of run in with Bowman on my judgement so i'd like to have an early one.) I think I'm pretty open to other brands. I also want a Mamod of some date so I can do a head to head comparison with a Jensen of the same time, and just post up facts (as in micrometer, scale, and running identical equipment.) and let the viewers be the judge. James, I'll watch the video when I get home, I cant view it on the computer I am currently on. Cant wait to see it!!! Cheers, Casey SPOKESMAN Mamod everytime. End of. JensenSteamMan [/quote] Anyway its only an opinion Jensens do nothing for me, I'm yet to see anything from Jensen that does so thats about it really . You're paid by Jensen anyway, you're hardly going to start ripping Jensen apart even if their new engines were shit! [/quote] Well I figured out a very simple solution to these repetivie quarrels Since "Jensens do nothing for me, I'm yet to see anything from Jensen that does so thats about it really" then would it be possible for you not to post on any threads about Jensen's? Hey I dont get paid (I pay them) and me and Steve agree Cheers, Casey Mamodman123 Ummm no I can reply wherever I want to ! putting my opinion accross as I do aswell . Once you taste champagne, you won't go back to sparkling wine JensenSteamMan Mamodman123 wrote: Ummm no I can reply wherever I want to ! putting my opinion accross as I do aswell . Once you taste champagne, you won't go back to sparkling wine sure nobodys going to arrest you if you do but this will just happen every time -Casey Mamodman123 JensenSteamMan wrote: Mamodman123 wrote: Ummm no I can reply wherever I want to ! putting my opinion accross as I do aswell . Once you taste champagne, you won't go back to sparkling wine sure nobodys going to arrest you if you do but this will just happen every time -Casey what will happen JensenSteamMan SPOKESMAN wrote: Mamod everytime. End of. sigh........ I give up -Casey Manxman Please stop. All of you. It's pointless. I'd thought we'd outgrown this. Sandman Manxman wrote: Please stop. All of you. It's pointless. I'd thought we'd outgrown this. The voice of reason guys. Mamodman123 There is no arguement here, just different opinions. That is all! IndianaRog Amen to pointless arguments that go round and round...this is like one of those soap operas you can tune in every 2 weeks and never miss a beat...time to change the channel. James Come on guys! I shouldn't have started this thread! bessytractor James wrote: Come on guys! I shouldn't have started this thread! as long as its steam powered, I don't care. James, I think you're Jenson is very nice, I would like one! Having seen moosemans one running on his site, I can understand why you are pleased. I have only seen the first 5 secs of the video of yours so far :S but will get round to watching all of it. Mamodman123 at least the "argument" was about steam! Which is more than I can say for some of the previous posts Maybe get some pictures up Jimbo so I can see it a bit closer? Mamodman123 at least the "argument" was about steam! Which is more than I can say for some of the previous posts Maybe get some pictures up Jimbo so I can see it a bit closer? James Dad is cleaning it now. I just changed all the washer and the sightglass/seal. I'll get her running properly soon Mamodman123 James wrote: Dad is cleaning it now. I just changed all the washer and the sightglass/seal. I'll get her running properly soon Good good! So it wasn't running properly in the video? James Not by a long shot. bessytractor Mamodman123 wrote: at least the "argument" was about steam! Which is more than I can say for some of the previous posts fair point oldstuff I think ok to give your opinion but good form to get off at the right time so those interested in Jensens or Wilescos can discuss them in peace. There's too much hammering from those who aren't even interested in them, imo. TE1A_man You got to remember guys this is the mamod forums, there are going to be a little resentment towards other engines, and you also have to remember that when you have never actually seen a brand of engine in person, you can't compare it. Personally, i perfer jensen, but i also like mamod, now it may not be my favorite engine, but i take care of it, run it regulary, and keep it from falling apart. (TE1A) Keep an open mind, they're all fire, water, and steam! SPOKESMAN JensenSteamMan wrote: SPOKESMAN wrote: Mamod everytime. End of. sigh........ I give up -Casey I would, but please fight your corner.! MooseMan Hey James, great to hear you like your new engine! These babies like to work - sling a nice heavy workshop up to it and prepare to be amazed James Might do later Moosey. How much can these run? tmuir Meeyooow! I haven't read all the posts in this thread but I see the my brand is better than your brand has raised again. I haven't got any popcorn but I do have a bowl of nuts and a bottle of beer. I think there is atleast one engine from every brand available that I wouldn't mind in my collection (also a few I wouldn't touch. ) Everyone feel free to post your personal opinions as I've got plenty of nuts and beer left and this loooks like being an 'interesting' discussion. Just nothing personal and stick to the facts and I'll enjoy the rest of the thread. Everyone STEAM AWAY!!! Mamodman123 Exactly Tony! Its nothing personal just a good discussion about steam James MM loves Wilescos tmuir James wrote: MM loves Wilescos Steady on James you nearly made me spit a mouthful of beer all over my PC. Mamodman123 James wrote: MM loves Wilescos Yeah about as much as I love Millwall FC James Come on MM let it all out Mamodman123 James wrote: Come on MM let it all out Ok...I hate Wilesco James Mamodman123 wrote: James wrote: Come on MM let it all out Ok...I hate Mamod! Wilesco til I die!! Good man Mamodman123 Thanks... So James which toy steam maker is your favourite this week then? James Wilesco Mamodman123 James wrote: Wilesco It was Mamod then Wilesco, then Jensen, now its Wilesco again, what happens if you get a Bowman? James Naaa I like slide valves. Mamodman123 James wrote: Naaa I like slide valves. Too flimsey and "smooth" I want a bit of noise in an engine . Not wussy slide valves Wallace Hey James. Good to hear you like your new engine. I speed read the posts here after about the 3rd page. Speed reading meaning I clicked the next button as quick as each page loaded, till I found something interesting Anyway, I look forward to pics and vids when I eventually find em on the forums James Collections and pics board and Video board mate        The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> General discussion Page 1 of 1