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Jakebob

I need a feedwater pump

Can anyone tell me where i can purchase a wilesco feedwater pump like the ones on their higher end engines, i cant seem to find one anywhere.
johnreid

I think Yesteryear Toys sells Wilesco Parts, as I would suppose that there are sellers of Wilesco Spares in Europe. If you want a used one, that might be a bit harder.
Reid

Doug has it in stock at ministeam:
http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Wilesco_Parts.html

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hth,

Reid
johnreid

I forgot that they had a lot of parts there.
I have only bought from them once and that was via an Ebay Auction. They shipped quickly, in fact I did a Buy It Now for some Esbit Tablets on a Tuesday morning and they were on my doorstep on Wednesday! Next day for UPS when one is on the same zone.
Jakebob

is there anywhere i can buy just the lone pump, dont want to pay more than i would if i bought the pm research one.
johnreid

Thosde pumps at PM sure seem to be a better deal for your needs, one is only $26! and the other is $51. IMHO get the PM Research one and forget the Wilesco one which is probably made of tin and costs a whole lot more.
Reid

Agreed about the cost/value, but the Wilesco is at least,
not made of tin.  The image shows a block of machined brass.
Looks like the pumping handle is stamped "tin".
It is a toy pump by that standard, at least.
And it is not cheap, for sure, to buy apart from the engine.
Wilescoman_123

Do you mean the one of the d21 ? It works very well keep it well oiled!
johnreid

Apologies if what I said was taken wrong.
PM is known for heavier build and not to argue, Wilesco is not, they build things to be heavy enough and not much more. However that 455 sure looks to be the opposite, so I should eat my words.
My D10 isnt much more than thin sheet metal, but it runs like a top.
Jakebob

hmmm, i guess ill just get the pm research one.  does anyone know of any other company that manufactures small feedwater pumps- excluding stuart.
redryder

Reid wrote:
Doug has it in stock at ministeam:
http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Wilesco_Parts.html

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hth,

Reid


It amazing he (Doug) has the nerve to price that little kit at $145 when you can buy a complete D21 for just about 2 times that amount !!!

Or perhaps it is Wilesco's pricing?

Gil
Reid

redryder wrote:
It amazing he (Doug) has the nerve to price that little kit at $145 when you can buy a complete D21 for just about 2 times that amount !!!
Gil


Hi Gil, I look at it this way:  Wilesco sets the list prices of most all their stuff at a high level.
This gives the various dealers room to discount as they may.

Doug stocks that pump, perhaps the only stock of that pump located in the USA,
and he probably has to sit on it for a year or two before it sells.  So, maybe, just maybe,
his markup on that pump is more than 50% over his cost? Could be 100%.  That would not be unfair,
not for that arcane item. Maybe he will never be able to sell that pump kit;
how many really need one?

Probably, though, Doug simply has it priced at Wilesco's suggested retail price.

Complete or parts?  Ever try  to build a new car from parts priced over the car dealer's counter?
Take for example, Wilesco's list pricing of the tool workshop board: it's all assembled,
and much cheaper than buying the individual workshop tools.

So, spares and orphan workshop tools for Wilescos are relatively pricey in a way.
Complete engines are a relative "bargain".

On a related note: look at my recent situation, purchasing a D455 engine from afar.
I bought direct from Germany and got a lemon
of a toy engine and a giant headache, and had to wait three weeks to get the headache, at that.

If I had bought from Doug, who maintains a huge stock/variety of slow-moving merchandise,
I sure would have paid more up-front, but then would have had a proper engine in a few days,
instead of what may end up as many weeks to mail back and replace a defective new Wilesco just received the other day.

So my hat is off to Doug, although I wish he'd give stuff away.  I guess he cannot do that.
I suppose he has serious bills to pay.

My two pence,

Reid
redryder

Reid wrote:
redryder wrote:
It amazing he (Doug) has the nerve to price that little kit at $145 when you can buy a complete D21 for just about 2 times that amount !!!
Gil


Hi Gil, I look at it this way:  Wilesco sets the list prices of most all their stuff at a high level.
This gives the various dealers room to discount as they may.

Doug stocks that pump, perhaps the only stock of that pump located in the USA,
and he probably has to sit on it for a year or two before it sells.  So, maybe, just maybe,
his markup on that pump is more than 50% over his cost? Could be 100%.  That would not be unfair,
not for that arcane item. Maybe he will never be able to sell that pump kit;
how many really need one?

PROBABLY, though, Doug simply has it priced at Wilesco's suggested retail price.

Complete or parts?  Ever try  to build a new car from parts priced over the car dealer's counter?
Take for example, Wilesco's list pricing of the tool workshop board: it's all assembled,
and MUCH cheaper than buying the individual workshop tools.

So, spares and orphan workshop tools for Wilescos are relatively pricey in a way.
Complete engines are a relative "bargain".

On a related note: look at my recent situation, purchasing a D455 engine from afar.
I bought direct from Germany and got a lemon
of a toy engine and a giant headache, and had to wait three weeks to get the headache, at that.

If I had bought from Doug, who maintains a huge stock/variety of slow-moving merchandise,
I sure would have paid more up-front, but then would have had a proper engine in a few days,
instead of what may end up as many weeks.

So my hat is off to Doug, though I wish he'd give stuff away.  I guess he cannot do that.
I suppose he has serious bills to pay.

My two pence,

Reid


Reid,

All good points and well taken. I would submit to you however that the odds are just as great that you would have received a lemon from Doug. This of course would be far more palatable than a lemon from another country. I have been fortunate in my limited dealing with Doug and I have no complaints as he shipped me a new Jensen #15BL as they went out of production. Maybe I was lucky and he did not know it yet as he did not raise the price of it.

Best,
         Gil
Reid

Indeed, Gil, that lemon would have passed through any dealer's hands without his detection.

I bought the D455 from Station500; his price, delivered: $209

Doug's price, delivered: $227

But Doug did not have stock, and could not say when he would have stock.

So I ordered from Station500.

I saved (ahem) $18.  And if the lemon had come from Doug instead of through Matthias?

Well, as you hinted, the make-good would be already done.

I've learned my lesson.
redryder

Staion500

I have also had successful dealings with station500.
Matthias was quite reasonable.

Gil
Reid

He is a nice guy and a gentleman.
redryder wrote:
I have also had successful dealings with station500.
Matthias was quite reasonable.

Gil
Andy

Never used station 500 but from what people say on here he is reliable, and i hope to use him next time i need somthing
Mister Occlusion

redryder wrote:

It amazing he (Doug) has the nerve to price that little kit at $145 when you can buy a complete D21 for just about 2 times that amount !!!

Or perhaps it is Wilesco's pricing?

Gil


yesteryear is the same.  I was going to buy the combination SV/pressure gauge from the D21 to fit to my D455 (like Tom has done).

Almost $80CAD for the bloody thing!  

I think I shall do without...

With prices like that a fellow ought to just buy an engine to part out and make a killing

....Of course James has been doing well with his Mamod spares too.
johnreid

Find a used one on Ebay, take the parts and list it on Ebay pointing out the missing parts. It seems like some people pay more for broken ones than complete ones on Ebay.
tmuir

johnreid wrote:
Find a used one on Ebay, take the parts and list it on Ebay pointing out the missing parts. It seems like some people pay more for broken ones than complete ones on Ebay.


That's especially true for Mamod locos, everyone wants to mod their loco and if its already trashed when they get it they don't have to feel guilty about chopping up a good rare loco to make what they want.
Reid

I wrote to Doug.  Here's the relevant portion of his reply,
re: the very expensive feed water pump kit for D21 shown on page one.

Quote:
Subject: Re: heads-up: you're talked about here (link to the mamod forum)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:43:45 -0500


Sorry about that Reid it is actually a pricing error.  
We brought it in for a customer's special order who did not want it when I received it.  
The price is really $99.95 ( I will fix that).  
Still very expensive for what it is.


Wilesco is probably more interested in selling new engines than in selling spares to keep the used ones working. Makes sense.

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