Krick marine engine

regracing · Krick marine engine

Can anyone find me more information and a picture of the below steam engine as im drawing blanks

logoman

is it any of these? the product number doesn't match though: K223....

http://www.model-dockyard.com/acatalog/Steam_Engines.html#aK22302

regracing

i dont know, thats the only discription i have to go of as it is a local ad with no picture and i to cant find an engine with the corresponding number.

logoman

I think that's an old product number, so must be an old engine, I see you problem, I'd like to know which engine that is too.

regracing

well i have asked for some further details so we will hopefully find out.

Les

These are the only model numbers on their website.

http://www.krick-modell.de/frameset.html

Click on Produkte, then Schiffsdampfmaschinen and it will bring up their engines.

22013
22300
22301
22302
22303
22310

kk

Hi,

Krick went through basically three different phases on their marine steam plants.

The first was designed from Wilesco parts (vertical boiler and two cylinder in line engine) these were sold for the Patricia wich is unfortunately long out of production.

The next were the cheddar plants that are no longer avaialble. Unfortunately I'm not sure who is the manufacturer of the current range of steam plants could be Regner to judge by the cylinders.

From the order number I would think that this could be one of the Cheddar models but AFAIK they did not came as a real kit but only nets to be plumbed.

regracing

thanks for the help guys and hopefully i will get a response soon

regracing

Well i have found out it is an early one for the alexandra and patricia featuring twin vertical wilesco cylinders and a vertical unclad boiler. Not the model i really wanted but how are these for performance anyway?

logoman

I think this is the engine.
http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about12784.html

regracing

yep thats the model, i received an email with a picture of the kit with the same wilesco cylinders and boiler about 10 mins ago. I have to admit i think it looks pretty nice in the boat however i see it got removed eventually. What size of boat would this be suited to i had my eye on a river launch with a beam of 7.5" and length of 41" would this do or would it be to underpowerd?

logoman

I don't think it would be underpowered, so long as you had a good boiler putting it though its paces. I don't know how good that boiler is....Mo will know.

mogogear · Krick twin

Regracing ..p.m. sent

CuriousSteam

I just used the D48 on my Victoria. Worked out alot better than expected and the speed was pretty good.

regracing

well i bought it in the end as it was my best option on my very imited budget and i paid £90 for it. I am however concerned about the brass boiler as mogogear pointed out the they deteriate quickly so im going to keep my eye out for another one on ebay

MooseMan

I think you got an absolute bargain there.

It's true that brass isn't as suitable as copper for model steam applications....however, in these simple pot boiler models, brass will still give good service, as long as you make sure you never leave standing water in them. I have brass boilers that are nearly 100 years old and are still giving sterling service.

For higher pressure boilers with cross tubes and silver soldering, copper's the way to go though.

logoman

Moose is correct, a bargain indeed.
quite rare to fond one of those kits in mint condition. and the horizontal boiler is so much more desirable than the vertical. If it were me installing this plant, I'd keep it exactly as the photo on the box depicts, and that's a really good small scale marine plant with all the rights bits, burner (especially the burner), chimney etc.

a good find.

regracing

Its a vertical i think judging by the sight glass. Ive now got to wait for it to arrive via the good old royal mail

logoman

oh yes, of course it is...firebox, sv on the end, stupid me, got carried away looking at that picture. i haven't seen that horizontal before, and horizontals are my thing.

mogogear

It is all good!! A nice kit...Few things with boats are a straight line.... have fun , get to know it...and show us your progress..

We are all in the same "boat"!!

regracing

Well now i need a hull, the obvious choice would be a krick alexandra however i have never been to keen on them. I was thinking about a kingston mouldings GRP hull but not sure about the quality or depth of detail in there plans for someone with not to much experiance in this sort of thing. I have built endless rc aircraft and gliders off of plans out of balsa and ply but next to no experiance with boats

mogogear

Kingston has a good reputation in the market... so I wouldn't hesitate on that note...how to build it out is another matter.

Kits offer the advantage of giving you a set of instructions to follow and usually laser cut pieces to make the assembly process go in a logical progression.

My "Alexandra " is not really a Krick Alex at all-- but I can not find out where she came from...could be a home made hull....but have fun choosing...

That is the lure for me. Boats offer a lot of choices. It is cumbersome, exciting, frustrating, and so educational in what different modeling skills you develop. Accept that and it will go much more smoothly- there will be unknowns, wrong choices and gratifying small and large accomplishments. In the end you will beam to show friends your boat!

logoman

regracing

Finally got it

I collected it yesterday and assembled it using my common sense as the instructions were in german. I really badly wanted to see it runing so i attached it to an old draw front that was laying around in the workshop and fired it up using a two wick meths burner (see photos) it ran really well an i can not wait to get it properly mounted an in a boat. I have started to clad the boiler which should look great hopefully. Anyway for £90 i think i have done well and i have never seen a krick engine with that wilesco cylinder arrangement.

logoman

it looks great, The design of the engine really suits the boiler very well.

regracing

it is very smart i have finished clading the boiler just need some brass strips to make the boiler bands

rangerssteamtoys

Looks good, but isnt it just some wilesco parts put together into something a little better?

mogogear

regracing

Dampfzauberer

rangerssteamtoys

I know a wilesco cylinder when I see one

CuriousSteam

That looks good. I have the D48 installed in my Victoria. The twin cylinders seen very similar. (yours vertical, mine horizontal) and same with the boilers. Mine must be the updated model.
Can't wait to see what boat you set her in.
And at that price for the set up. Just great!!!

regracing

I have attempted to make it look better by clading the boiler ( still need some brass boiler bands making ), making a new gas burner bracket, painting the gas burner and chimney aswell as lagging the pipes. I can not wait to put it in a boat and get rid of that tempory base. I was thinking of buying a kingston mouldings 1900 river launch as a hull for it however i dont know how pratically this would be or usable. I just thought it looked the best

http://www.kingstonmouldings.com/pdelectriclaunch.htm

mogogear

I think that hull s a nice choice ...

Also a suggestion---do not forget to manage the flame path out the engine -side of the boiler heat shield. You might insert a piece of metal sheet to close the opening. That will keep the heat where it will do the most good!

regracing

cheers mo, i had noticed your old krick plant had a sheild and was planning on making one myself. Thanks for the advice

logoman

super job there, a couple of coats of teak oil on the mahogany will bring it up well. what paint did you use for the chimney, looks real sweet.

regracing

I just used some plastikote flat white from a little spray can. It seemed to work well and didnt need any primer unlike most brass things i try and paint. I did try the engine again this time with the gas burner and a 3/4 full boiler and the thing tanks along and much to my suprise has plenty of torque. However that is the first and last time i shall use that burner untill i have the plant in a boat and in the water! as i have read about the dangers of gas burners and brass boilers

logoman

gas isn't as fun anyhow, it just gets the job done when you need it doing.

regracing

well i have bought a cheap boat hull and plans off ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....;ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:US:1123

logoman

NOW THAT WAS BARGAIN!

It's big, but a lot nicer than the Kingston one you were looking at.

regracing

regracing

My hull arrived today and i feel like i have stolen it

I love it, it has a real nice shape in my opinion, i very much like the width anyway enough about me heres the boat

So far the boat and steam plant only stand me at £125 which i think is a good price.

CuriousSteam

Very nice start. And at a very fair price... Well you stole it!!!

But it looks awesome, I'll be watching this one!!

mogogear

Excellent job!! We will all be waiting for your build !!

Steve_S

That's going to look good, and what a bargain.

Les

Looking forward to the progress on this one.

regracing

A little bit of progress has been made on this one, it is all wood work which i am not the best at however i do have a usefull resource in my dad for that one as he is a carpenter by trade. I have used epoxy resin to glue a front and back block in to help hold the strings ( thats what i call the things on the side) in place as well as using fibreglass to hold the front bulkhead and rudder support in. The fibreglass probably is not needed however i have wanted to play with the stuff for years!

I then went about making a new engine base plate. I started by cutting out a rectangle (nearer to a trapezium

) and soldered a square strip about 3/8 inch tall around the burner base to hold it in place when sailing. I then drilled out the holes and mounted the boiler and engine.

CuriousSteam

Coming along nicely. Have any ideas for the decking?

regracing

Mahogany planking is what is on the plans and what i shall probably use

bessytractor

this is looking good

I remember when Dads tug looked like that many moons ago, unfortunately it still hasn't been finished!

regracing

A little bit of progress to report

- Its now painted in white!!
- The lead is in and the boat sits right in the water
- The engine is now in and coupled up to the prop
- The deck and floor are starting to be made in rough

bessytractor

thats looking stunning!

well done! You have been busy!

Steve_S

She looks very good.... classic lines.

regracing

few more pics to upload, these are of the inside of the boat which is still very much uncomplete. The pictures show the teak floor and seating along with a propshaft tunnel/ servo home!!

The cladding on the boiler has been taken off while i get some proper glass fibre matting. The engine plate is fixed in in the pictures, its held in by 4 4ba screws which are tapped into aluminuim cross members below. Under the floor there is lots and lots of lead to make the boat sit to the proper water level indicated on the plan and the boat now weighs a ton as it got such a wide beam it requires plenty of ballast ( or as my dad calls it the lead of our porch roof you thieving pikey )

Les

She is beginning to look very elegant indeed.

regracing

i think more rustic

mogogear

Nice work mate...I have to say that the finish out of the wood detail in my launch was very satisfying indeed... happy work for the fingers!

kusuchi

Looking great! Can't wait for more pictures.

bessytractor

mate.....that is the JOB

regracing

I was wondering if some one could shed some light on this for me. My krick/wilesco engine is unlike any i have ever seen, all the other krick twins using wilesco parts use a different configeration to mine with valves facing apart whereas mine are facing together. Has anyone ever seen another like mine? Have i made a giant mistake in building and using it and should i just have sold it brand new in box like i found it?

Here is mine and its configeration

Here is one on ebay at the moment with the different arangement

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KRICK-Twin-...005f0fab&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Les

Maybe yours is an early version and the ebay one is a later version or vice versa.

regracing

A bit of progress on the boat, its now got a teak planked deck which is made up of teak strips of 10mm wide and about 2mm thick. I stuck them on top of the ply and used waterproof pva mixed with black paint to do so, They where then sanded flat and varnished unfortunatly you have to look real close to see that its been planked and not just badly veneered. I then made a rear sear thingy to cover the rx , servo and batterys its held in by two cheese head screws with two dummy screws which dont do anything and are for the aesthetics. The seating inside has been finised and rubbing strips and coaming have been added both of which need some attention to make them look better. Im not really that happy with the quality of the boat at the moment as i wanted better but it can always be modified later i suppose

Les

Very nice indeed.

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logoman

Holy f**k! that's a superb job you've done there Reg, I'm jealous.

I can't see why you're not satisfied.

regracing

logoman

mogogear

Excellent work my friend! You deserve to be proud- don't deny yourself that good feeling

Hip Hip!

mogogear

kusuchi

Great work, Reg!

I, too, thought you were an old dude like Miles.

Being a perfectionist is very much a two edged sword. On the one hand you'll never be completely satisfied, on the other you'll never stop getting better.

Caprice

Can't agree more to what's been said, very nice work. I've a steam launch hull that I'm trying to to something about but being the (sloppy) perfectionist I am, I don't think I can get it anywhere close to yours.

C.

logoman

a flag pole at the stern and a couple of cleats would top it off nicely.

regracing

Right i need advice, it has come to my attention that my krick power plant may be worth more than i thought just look at this one.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-cylinder-...55a0a910&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Do you think i might be better of getting shot of mine and replacing it with a better steam plant with the money it might raise. I have always really wanted a tvr1a but would this fit into my boat and do a better job or am i just day dreaming?

By the way flagpoles, flags, cleats etc on there way

bessytractor

as someone who maintains a full size wooden boat (sadly not steam) and is used to lots and lots of varnish I thought I'd say what a genuinely superb job you've done. It looks like an excellent finish and I suspect the photos don't do it justice.

mogogear

regracing

For logoman, Flag pole, bollards, cleats and fairleads

tmuir

Wow!!

That looks great, nice job.

Les

logoman

That's so cool Reg, let's have a picture of the stern showing the prop and rudder now the hull is finished.
I'm very interested to what sort of pace she has and how long she runs for.

name?

regracing

Right then, as a name goes i only have two ideas they are The Ellie May after my dog or as my mum suggested Samphire which i think sounds better however i have no idea how to name a boat. The run time in water is about 15 mins however after a several minutes of use you do have to wait 30secs or so for more pressure to build. In this video i took before i had finished the woodwork i was using near enough full throttle on the handset and you can see she is pretty steady however not as bad as some i have seen. Plus heres a picture of the back

mogogear

Splendid rudder!!

One small word for better steam is that you might think about cladding the boiler. The outside of that boiler looses a lot of heat to the atmosphere and thus robs you of much potential steam supply.

She sure looks the treat! Well done

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