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| kusuchi |
Manx Sailors Ride VirginsThe Wilhelm Krauss Flying Carousel, circa 1930, with many thanks to Chris (Manxmann).
Apologies, Chris, for the irreverent thread title, but there seem to have been so many new arrivals today, I wanted something that would get peoples attention. Be interesting to see how many hits we get. 
Studying pg 186 to try and figure the missing drive mechanism. It would appear to be a purely interference mechanism, no gears at all. The small disc on the driveshaft rotates the missing large horizontal disc which is soldered to the vertical shaft. When repaired the sailors will sit about 1 1/2" higher than shown in the photos. 
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| Nick |
Does Andrew like them?
They look great! And how many arrivals does that make today? 
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| Andrew |
Yes I do like them
Thank you very much Mr Manxman. We're taking it to be fixed on Monday. Once it's fixed and running I will post a video for you.
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| kusuchi |
Not arrivals for us but for forum members. There are a lot today. You saw MM got a new Mamod Showman's, but he isn't firing it.  Shame on him.
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| Mamodman123 |
I never said i'm not firing it, i said I haven't yet 
Very nice model you have there guys! Will be great to see in full flight!
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| kusuchi |
Good for you. That's a video I really want to see.
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| Nick |
Did you see my two Jensens?
Show Andrew too, I bet he'll like them. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/ftopic8232-375.php |
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| flywheel61 |
Those are really great, I like the colour of yours better, than the ochre ones in the book, blue is a lot more traditional for sailors uniforms. And yes, I was wondering about the thread title, 
The whilst the sailors and the seats are the same I can't hlp wondering, because of the differences in some of the structure, it may be something other than Krauss. What ever it is it's an excellent buy,
Cheers
Chris |
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| Les Marsh |
Just seen the pictures, thankyou Richard, and I am pretty sure it is a Krauss, although there are some differences to the one one page 186, if you look at the main uprights on page 187, they are the same pattern as your one.
The way the seats connect to the top are identical, as is the drive mechanism although yours appears to be missing the bottom friction plate. I cannot makeout if the pulley is spoked or solid but Krauss used both. And although the colours and patterns are different, they are very similar to those in the book. Are there any markings on it, either on the top or round the base? |
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| Wallace |
That's a great looking accessory 
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| Manxman |
Well I'm glad it did arrive. I be fairly 100% sure it is Krauss. It is a little different from the ones in the pic but not much and those uprights appear on other Krauss models. If I remember rightly, I think it has a logo stamp on the roof (a bit hidden because done in the same colour as the pattern).
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| kusuchi |
Les and Manx, As you say the roof pattern is identical with the exception of the solid green perimeter. The pulley is solid as on page 186. The frame as on page 187. The base is more intricately decorated with very well preserved Landscape paintings. On the base it says Made in Germany. As Chris says there is a logo on the roof but take a look
You'll probably have to copy this to Window picture viewer and blow it up, but the logo is three concentric circles with the letters M and K joined together. It even looks as if there is an '&' below the center V of the M. Mohr and Krauss? |
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| johnreid |
Real cool Accessory, however the title of this thread did have me wondering if I should read it or not
I am so anxious to see the whole fairground layout once you get it put together. |
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| kusuchi |
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| kusuchi |
Looks like Mohr & Krauss to me, which would make it an earlier version between 1901 and 1923. Have so far been unable to locate a Mohr and Krauss logo to confirm. |
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| Les Marsh |
Just seen the e-mail, thankyou again, and it is Mohr & Krauss.
I can confirm that it is an an earlier version between 1901 and 1923. Well done.
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| Les Marsh |
I have not found the Mohr & Krauss mark yet, but I have found the Krauss, Mohr & Co. mark on this page.
http://johno.myiglou.com/krauss.htm 
Taken from the above website. |
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| kusuchi |
I found that one too, on a couple of different engines on the same site But I've drawn a blank on Mohr & Krauss on Google. I even went through Toy Steam with a magnifying glass.
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| johnreid |
On that Vintage Steam Toys site, I see these for them also
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| tmuir |
Go no further than the toy steam webring. This is from one of our German friends on the webring http://www.firmenzeichen.historyt.../Mohr___Krauss/mohr___krauss.html If you like old German toys suggest you take a look. |
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| Les Marsh |
I had looked at all the links except that one for some unknown reason. Well done John.
http://www.vintagesteamtoys.com/a_little_history.htm Thankyou Tony for your one as well.
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| kusuchi |
Thanks Tony, There it is
Mohr Krauss 1901 to 1923. |
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| Les Marsh |
How are the repairs going on this as it would be nice to see it running.
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| kusuchi |
The missing disk is being fabricated this week. In the meantime, I have completely disassembled it, straightened the uprights and completely cleaned and waxed the paintwork. I am slowly restoring the swing chair hangers and drive rods to their original shiny metal condition. This is a painstaking job as the paintwork is so delicate it must be protected from the metal cleaner. Once complete I will reassemble the whole piece and take it back to the jewelers. He can then solder the horizontal disc to the vertical drive rod and reattach the smaller disc to the horizontal pulley rod. 
Hopefully when 'Alles est in ordnung' the Sailors will fly again.
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| johnreid |
Good to see that the utmost care is being given as that is a piece worthy of a proper restoration | ||||||
| oldstuff |
Great thread. A wonderful toy, a mystery(solved). Drive mechanism is cool, too.
An old snapper lawnmower I had was self-propelled by a similar setup; a rubber wheel spun a larger metal disk to make it go. |
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| kusuchi |
Inspired by MM's restoration of his SR1, Andrew commenced a restoration of our 67/68 TE1A. This is the engine I received as a birthday present when I was his age. The engine has been with us 40 years and has been fired, we guess, between three and five hundred times. I am now completing the renovation he started. It is completely disassembled, (thanks MM for the wheel cap info) and I am waiting for the simichrome to arrive to complete. Out of respect for it's history it will not be repainted, only cleaned. Even with locally available metal cleaners the difference is already quite remarkable.
The only modification will be to restore the original burner back to a Meths burner as per your suggestions. When it's complete I will post before and after pictures.  I Know, but related.
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| Nick |
Sounds like you're cleaning them right.
I hope to see it working soon. |
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| Les Marsh |
The parts look a lot cleaner and you didn't break any of the little tags as you took it apart. | ||||||
| Manxman |
This is good fun and you are doing a great job with that old fairground ride. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
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| Les Marsh |
I know that you are extremely busy but is there any progress on this at all Richard? | ||||||
| kusuchi |
No 
The jeweler's attempt at the disc didn't do it for me (or the carousel). Wondering who I might try next. Any suggestions. Who would do this kind of work? In the meantime it's looking nice and shiny right here on top of my desk.
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| Les Marsh |
Apart from Jewellers is there anyone who into metalwork or Arts and Crafts, maybe light engineering or something of that nature!! |
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| Manxman |
Ok and accepting that I've never got round to this myself, but could you cut the disc yourself? 
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| johnreid |
I think we need more details as to what is needed. | ||||||
| Les Marsh |
I could get some pictures of an original disc this weekend if that is any help. |
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| kusuchi |
Not a bad idea Chris. How would you form the lip. I'd never be able to simulate the slight dome features. I could get it running, I'm sure, but I was hoping to replicate the original. Thanks Les and John. I have pics, sizes and have even done a scale fabrication drawing. You can see the missing horizontal disc on Steam Toys page 185 and 186. |