kusuchi
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Marklin Fairground Carousel (Karussell mit Musikwerk)Bought at a live auction in England. Finally arrived today. Some small damage, all easily fixed, not surprising for such a fragile piece. Musical box in landing plays as it turns. 45 cm diameter, 60 cm high.
With sausage maker for scale.
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bigal
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Wow, How old is that? Would love to have for one of my displays 
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duncandumpertruck
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Looking tremendous Richard  Nice to know that it arrived safely from the UK.
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Les Marsh
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That is one gorgeous looking carousell, a joy to behold.  and they do make a wonderful pair.
They are going to be one very interesting video. 
Oh, it's not a Fleischmann.
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johnreid
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So fitting that you display it wit the Marklin Engine, a match made in Heaven. I think that thing oozes charm and class. A proper Victorian Carousel.
Quite well done and yes the Video will be Oscar material.
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MooseMan
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Yep, that's a big Kahuna!
Beautiful!!!
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steamgranny
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Oh my! Nearly speechless..........that is fantabulous  (Gonna need some more expressive emoticons very soon, if this continues )
Looks mint..........amazing condition
Of course you had to have it to go with the 16051 
That is, indeed, one big & very beautiful Kahuna
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Nick
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What a lovely pair!
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Manxman
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Now that is special. I'd love more details. Do you know when it was made? I know we shouldn't ask (and you don't have to tell us) but, how much did that cost?
I'm also waiting for the video now. Is this going to be part of your second, older, fairground. Can't wait.
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Wallace
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Absolutely stunning. The quality is amazing
Well done 
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toxx
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... bello e incredibile! I've never seen anything like it!
Beautiful ...
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Atticman
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Thats Fabulous, cant wait for the video.
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Steve_S
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That's fabulous!
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Dampfzauberer
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Hmm..you all are asking for its age? 
This isn't an old model, it is a modern reproduction by marklin.
Just like the engine (but the carousel was sold some years earlier)
So productiontime should be the 90's i think
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kusuchi
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[quote="Dampfzauberer"]Hmm..you all are asking for its age?
This isn't an old model, it is a modern reproduction by marklin.
Just like the engine (but the carousel was sold some years earlier)
So productiontime should be the 90's i think [/quote
Well done Mirko, real close.
I know that those of you who own the 'Toy Steam, a Symphony in Motion' book will have been looking at page 192 and scratching your heads.
For those of you who don't here's page 192:
:shock
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kusuchi
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And while you digest the text at the bottom of page 192 here's a quick video preview.
A little late in the day and we didn't have the canopy on straight but at least you can hear what it sounds like.
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kusuchi
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$80,000
But from the pictures you can see we still have a house, (or at least a handrail ) No, it is not a mint condition 1902 #8847.
It is rather special though, I spent nearly three months tracking it down and am very proud of it.
It doesn't seem to be well known, but in 2000, Marklin ran a 1000 copy, limited edition, reproduction of the #8847 - The Marklin 16021.
The reproduction is an exact replica of the original, right down to the hand painted miniatures and the music box. Mine is mint in the original packaging. The literature goes to great length to stress the use of all the same original materials and hand finishing. It comes with a certificate of authenticity.
The piece is exquisitely beautiful, I love it and it certainly is as close as I will ever come to owning the real thing.
They are very hard to find now, especially MIB. Two used ones were recently sold at a live auction in Europe for about $800 each, exclusive of 22.5% Buyers Premium and Shipping.
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Les Marsh
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That is definitely a tease but well worth it.
The next trick will be getting to run at the right speed so it sounds right.
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Les Marsh
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| kusuchi wrote: | The piece is exquisitely beautiful, I love it and it certainly is as close as I will ever come to owning the real thing.
They are very hard to find now, especially MIB. Two used ones were recently sold at a live auction in Europe for about $800 each, exclusive of 22.5% Buyers Premium and Shipping. |
I know as I have tried, nearly had one for €93 with three minutes to go and then it went mad. 
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johnreid
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More to come, now just how patient do you think I am?
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kusuchi
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| johnreid wrote: | | More to come, now just how patient do you think I am? |
Nick? is that you?
Seems that rather than Nick getting more patient we've all got more impatient! This isn't working out as planned 
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kusuchi
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The reproduction seems to be an incredibly accurate copy of the original. Points of interest noted so far:
Neither the original or the repro were designed to run on steam as pictured. The repro comes with an alternate pulley that will accept a driveband. The pictured pulley is hand crank only on both.
The original had large balls hanging below the canopy. The repro has bells.
The figures in the scalloped seats are magnetic. They can be moved around the carousel or to the static seats around the central column as desired.
The musical movement is no longer below the landing. Does anyone know what tune the original played?
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johnreid
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When the original is priced so high, most manufacturers will make minor changes to avoid counterfeiters from trying to pass the replica off as the original.
I like the accessories a lot, but do see where the speedy Steam Engines are too fast for realistic operations.
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Les Marsh
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| kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | | More to come, now just how patient do you think I am? |
Nick? is that you?
Seems that rather than Nick getting more patient we've all got more impatient! This isn't working out as planned |
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Les Marsh
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It must be video time soon.
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johnreid
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I am getting the popcorn
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kusuchi
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | It must be video time soon. |
Andrew is ready to go, he's bought the distilled water and fabricated a drive band that spaces engine and accessory appropriately.
I need to have the 'financial prudence' conversation with Val again.
Even non steam friends are urging us to run it but she is still concerned about the potential devaluation.
How much value does it lose being fired?
Maybe George Bush would make up the difference.
Were it not for the current state of the economy this would not even be an issue.
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Les Marsh
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Not a problem, we will just have to be patient.
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johnreid
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Just my take on the fired versus unfired engine situation.
The engine was made to be operated, no operation, why make it functional. Just like the Model Fire engine that I recently bought, MiniSteam sells one for $20000 but I bought a non functional one for $17. If it doesnt work, why pay so much?
Now, there is a big difference between used and abused, if an item is used, but with the proper care, it shouldnt detract from it at all. Will it affect resale? Well, not that much I bet as the fact that it works probably adds to the desire to own it. I will gladly make you a non functional model and do an even trade if you wish
Lubricate but not over lubricate, drain it when done, and wipe it clean when done also.
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oldstuff
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What an outstanding addition, Richard!
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kusuchi
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| oldstuff wrote: | | What an outstanding addition, Richard! |
Thanks Chuck,
I'm really pleased with it.
Just need to resolve some minor political issues and we can get the show on the road, (as it were )
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kusuchi
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| johnreid wrote: | Just my take on the fired versus unfired engine situation.
The engine was made to be operated, no operation, why make it functional. Just like the Model Fire engine that I recently bought, MiniSteam sells one for $20000 but I bought a non functional one for $17. If it doesnt work, why pay so much?
Now, there is a big difference between used and abused, if an item is used, but with the proper care, it shouldnt detract from it at all. Will it affect resale? Well, not that much I bet as the fact that it works probably adds to the desire to own it. I will gladly make you a non functional model and do an even trade if you wish
Lubricate but not over lubricate, drain it when done, and wipe it clean when done also. |
You're preaching to the choir here John.
Some things have to be handled delicately, however.
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Les Marsh
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| kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | Just my take on the fired versus unfired engine situation.
The engine was made to be operated, no operation, why make it functional. Just like the Model Fire engine that I recently bought, MiniSteam sells one for $20000 but I bought a non functional one for $17. If it doesnt work, why pay so much?
Now, there is a big difference between used and abused, if an item is used, but with the proper care, it shouldnt detract from it at all. Will it affect resale? Well, not that much I bet as the fact that it works probably adds to the desire to own it. I will gladly make you a non functional model and do an even trade if you wish
Lubricate but not over lubricate, drain it when done, and wipe it clean when done also. |
You're preaching to the choir here John.
Some things have to be handled delicately, however. |
Give Andrew the casting vote.
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kusuchi
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | Just my take on the fired versus unfired engine situation.
The engine was made to be operated, no operation, why make it functional. Just like the Model Fire engine that I recently bought, MiniSteam sells one for $20000 but I bought a non functional one for $17. If it doesnt work, why pay so much?
Now, there is a big difference between used and abused, if an item is used, but with the proper care, it shouldnt detract from it at all. Will it affect resale? Well, not that much I bet as the fact that it works probably adds to the desire to own it. I will gladly make you a non functional model and do an even trade if you wish
Lubricate but not over lubricate, drain it when done, and wipe it clean when done also. |
You're preaching to the choir here John.
Some things have to be handled delicately, however. |
Give Andrew the casting vote. |
I think that's part of the problem. He casts his vote about eight times a day.
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Les Marsh
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| kusuchi wrote: | | Les Marsh wrote: | | kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | Just my take on the fired versus unfired engine situation.
The engine was made to be operated, no operation, why make it functional. Just like the Model Fire engine that I recently bought, MiniSteam sells one for $20000 but I bought a non functional one for $17. If it doesnt work, why pay so much?
Now, there is a big difference between used and abused, if an item is used, but with the proper care, it shouldnt detract from it at all. Will it affect resale? Well, not that much I bet as the fact that it works probably adds to the desire to own it. I will gladly make you a non functional model and do an even trade if you wish
Lubricate but not over lubricate, drain it when done, and wipe it clean when done also. |
You're preaching to the choir here John.
Some things have to be handled delicately, however. |
Give Andrew the casting vote. |
I think that's part of the problem. He casts his vote about eight times a day. |
Is that all.
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kusuchi
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After shooting the Table Saw and Man at Well video I tried to run the Marklin Carousel with the Jensen 25.
The pulley the carousel came with is manual crank only. I removed it and installed the largest pulley from the Wilesco lineshafts.
Nevertheless, the Jensen could only turn it one or two revolutions before stalling.
Lubricating the carousel is difficult as it is very fragile and turning it upside down is extremely risky.
I think it's going to need a more powerful engine. The Marklin or the Fleichmann. A larger pulley would also help.
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