Marshalls and Fowlers wooden casting patterns

James · Marshalls and Fowlers wooden casting patterns

For sale I have a selection of casting patterns. These were in the Marshalls factory, and were all hand crafted. They were put in sand, used to make the mould, then the moulds were cast.

There are Marshall ones and a few Fowler ones.

You'll NEVER see another in the world!

PM me with offers if you're interested in owning a piece of our industrial heritage.

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James

I think some of these are worth about £5, and some about £15 or £20

made-in-england

cheques in post for mine mate!

Didnt put the extra on for the boat couldnt afford it but theres a note so u dont forget!

James

THanks mate! I'll send you a nice one

Andy

Shame there all cracked and can't be used for casting then they would fetch more

made-in-england

dont tell him that andy hes fleeced me allready LOL

Roundy

James

Does it matter lad?

Who cares if they can't be used for casting? They're still being saved, they're still our history, and they are still a 1 off.

made-in-england

well, they can be burnt put in a museum or put into private collections the first two options youll never see em agin! the third it will be a peice you can show your grandkids! Or 1/2 cousins twice removed for james

James

Or what? Oi! You saying I'm inbred?

Griffin

Is the Kabota thrown in on the deal to?

James

The Crapbota? If you want it

Japanese shat

redryder

made-in-england

Mr.Chantry! you were the one telling ME you were inbred!

MooseMan

James is not paying me commission, but to boost sales can I just add that these brush up really well? Get all the crap and flaking paint off, and you have a real conversation maker.

Mine also doubles up as a stand for my Snipe!

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James

Does it matter?

Am I selling them to be used?

I know full well they're off traction engines and that because I've got some identified, there are some blatently obvious, and when I were in the factory pattern shop there were all sorts of flywhees and wheels and stuff.

I clearly said that I ain't selling these to be used. I'm selling them so people get chance to own a bit of our heritage.

One does hope that one can read now

johnreid

I think the intent is for these to be decorative items that can remind people of that which no longer exists. James has gone through the effort to retrieve these from the fire pit so that some people can use them for Bookends and Paperweights, I dont think he has ever stated that you can buy the lot and build a Traction Engine. If that was the case he would be keeping the lot and doing so himself.
I think some are being a little hard on James, I dont think there is anything dishonest going on here, he might be a bit of a dreamer if he expects to make a lot of money, but not dishonest.

James

Summed it up perfect John!

I'm pleased that some can see my intentions!!

Mamodman123

James

And as a matter of fact, there are at least 2 steam ones in the pics at the start of this thread. One is a boiler clack valve, and one is a blow pipe. How do I know? Well, a person who is having a Marshall built by them at Bicker told me. It doesn't always pay to jump in feet first pretending you know what's what when you don't

tmuir

James

Naa Tony I don't! If you want to then by all means use them, but John summed it up perfectly "bookends or paperweights"

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James

Well, they are casting the parts for it.

Pictures of what? The patterns? If you bothered to look, which is probably too much hard work for a busy chap like yourself, you'd see quite a few photos!

Nick

Have you put any on ebay? They'd be fun to watch.

Mamodman123

I'm, going to say this once

James is trying to sell come patterns here

He doesn't have to jusify why or who he is selling them to

End of....

Play nicely children

James

Yeah, this is pathetic.

I'm selling these through courtesy, not to survive.

If you would like one, PM me, I'll fix you up with one for a pittance, no problem, otherwise please don't say anything at all.

That's the last I'll say on the matter, it's no skin off my nose if you don't want one.

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MooseMan

Jim, in your original muckspreader did I see a pattern for checkerboard plate?? Is that heavy??

James

I think you did Moosey!

Hold on a minute mate...

And it's quite heavy, could collect it or get it sent by courier

MooseMan

I'm just off mate, back in an hour.....

James

No probs.

It's down the field ATM, but I have a pic!

James

BC, all the patterns have been moved down to the 3 acre, and I'm not up to searching through every one I've got to find it.

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James

Well I'm not wasting my time trying to prove something to a person who can't see wood for trees, so I ask you to believe whatever you like

Mamodman123

you're either interested in buying them or you're not...

simple as

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Mamodman123

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Mamodman123

James

Moosey, here's the pic you wanted.

MooseMan

Ahhhh that's the stuff....

I guess it'll be extremely heavy....

James

I'll weigh it when I get chance mate

MooseMan

No rush mate.....

johnreid

What I do not understand is that if they were to be destroyed anyhow, what difference does it make if James sells one or two? He went to the trouble to go and get them and I am sure a liter or two fo Petrol or Diesel was burnt pulling the Muckspreader full of them to where he is storing them, in a space that could have held feed for his sheep or some other thing. I see no harm or disrespect is selling a few of them. I dare say that if the historical trust wanted them, that is where they would be instead of in James possession.
I think the it would be so cool to have one to display alongside a SR1 or TE1 Mamod.
IMHO I think we should thank James for seeing to it that they did not end up polluting the air by fueling a bonfire.
Burn baby burn.

Nick

Are there any small enough to fit in a Mamod wagon?

I'd be interested, but then I'd have to buy a wagon.

johnreid

Hmmmmmm

If not, one could be displayed along side it.

Nick

So you're saying it might be a "full load"?

It would be an interesting item to haul around though.

James

There certainly is!!

A half of one of the cylindrical ones would look great!

Hold on!

James

BTW, thanks for the kind words John, it's appreciated

James

SOmething like this might look good in a wagon! I'll take a pic tomorrow

IndianaRog

IDEA...James, I bet if you cut those crosshatched long pieces into something 4 inches x 6 inches in size...they would be inexpensive to ship and would probably sell to many of us as a token of past with a recognizable appearance.

Last but not least they would fit in a Mamod Open Wagon and that would be just neat.

If you decide to do it, put me down for TWO 4" x 6" pieces and I would pay you 10 GBP for each plus shipping.

Rog

James

Sounds good to me Rog

I'll go down the field tomorrow!

Thanks mate! If you're sure of course

IndianaRog

I am VERY sure...please do and cut carefully!!!

No better way to kick this thing off than pony up some money!!! If you can do it consider those two pieces SOLD. I can PayPal the funds when you have a shipping cost added. Depending on weight it might be cheaper to ship as two parcels...but I trust you to do it best way possible.

thanks,
Rog

James

Bloody hell meyart! Thanks a load!

I'll cut you them tomorrow, with me new saw!

Mamodman123

johnreid

I assume they were something like this

James

Probably yeah! But cast! Dad were like "Leave them bloody things" I said "Bugger off meyart I'm having them"

Good job I did!

johnreid

Do you have any idea as to the size of those as is?

Just wondering what a 4X6 piece would look like. I noticed that one had numbers carved out of it real neat, I bet that was a lot of work for whoever made that.
Now you need to type up a letter of Authenticity stating how you pulled it from the Marshalls Plant a time of demolition

Nick

James, check your pm for the items I circled.

I might also be interested in a piece of the cross-hatched stuff.

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Atticman

James, check your PM, I am interested in something

As I see it these are interesting pieces of heritage, and were about to be burnt.

Therefore James has saved them from that, to which we can thank him for his forsight, canniness and ability to see wood from trees (

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It sounds like theres a lot of stuff to sift through, and there isnt really any time pressure as long as they are stored well so they dont rot. Offering them on here surely wasnt anything but coutesy, as is the case for quite a few of the for sale items here.

What I imagine is pressing for James is

1 admin work on/ for the forum.
2 SE4 sorting
3 GCSE exams Sorry James to remind you

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4. Farm/ smallholding work
5 Planning on what to do in life
6 Dealing with sniping from people that should know better
7 Lots of other things

I hope that others can bear this in mind

Mamodman123

James

Just a note, the 1st pattern in the thread is now SOLD

Nick

James

Well that's errrrm 4 sold!!

Nick

Les Marsh

IndianaRog

James, just tell me where and when to send money

Rog

James

Rog, you can Paypal it to me if you think that's best

Nick

What do the cross-hatched one look like after being cut down to size?

James

Ain't got chance to look yet mate, I'm off for a walk down in a bit, takes like 20mins to walk to though LOL

Nick

I might be interested in one of those too, after you check out the other ones I asked you about.

James

If I can find them mate

Nick

James

LOL!

I'll see what I can do

Bogstandard

James,

I have been following this with interest, and being a very logical person, I had to put my two pence worth in, before what you are doing goes too far.

Ok, thru good luck and fortune, they are in your posession, and yours to do with what you will.

I am not a great fan of the large steam engine brigade, but do believe in preserving our past as much as is possible.

In your case I would think very carefully.

What you have is without doubt a piece of British history, and are selling it as though it is just another little steam engine where you can make a few pounds out of it.

These really belong in some historical archive where they could be used and properly conserved for the preservation of our heritage, rather than a quick buck, being cut up and sold off to the highest bidder.

If you want to make money off them, why not donate, or a long term loan or sell them for a reasonable fee to a preservation society, then if on loan or donation, ask for a fee each time they have a casting taken off them, nothing silly, something like £20. Just think about it. 50 castings taken off is £1,000. You spreading them to the four winds, gets you whatever you can get for them. Then they are gone forever.

That way you get a little back over time and the people who preserve our heritage get a chance to use original castings. Let them look over what you have, before you disect and get rid of any more, as it looks like a few might be too far gone anyway, and those could be the ones you sell to whoever wants them.

I am sure that the members on here would not like the heritage of their own country being got rid of willy nilly to make a few quid.

There is more to life than money.

John

Sandman

Well I might as well put my twopence worth in as well.

If James had not rescued these patterns in the first place they would have gone up in smoke by now.

As far as offering them to some historical society, I think that is entirely up to James.

The prospect of him becoming rich on the proceeds of this venture is non existant.

I would rather see them going to some of our members as poluting our atmosphere in some bonfire.

What he does with them now is his business. Simple as that.

johnreid

As pointed out by others in this thread, the molds do not appear to be in suitable condition for making castings. I doubt those who are wishing to replace parts by making new castings would even use them. They were considered rubbish, and if there was true historical value, the Historical Trust would have been right on top of them before James even entered the picture.

I might add that if they were of value to the Historical Trust, I bet James would more than cooperate.

If I wanted to make a casting, I would take the worn part to a patternmaker and have a new Mold made.

Roundy

guys, remember thease are James's patterns, he could just keep them all for himself, then no one other than himself would benafit from them. let him do with them what he will and he rle does not diserve some of this crap he is getting, after all it is his forum.

Cheers

Roundy

Mamodman123

If a museum or whatever wanted them they'd have gone and got them before James did

If he didn't get them they'd have been burnt by now...

Plus in a museum to me and any normal person they are just blocks of wood, i.e not that interesting....

Bogstandard

It seems that James hasn't told you the whole story.

Ask him about the people who have already contacted him about the purchase and salvage of these casting patterns. It seems all he is after is a quick buck. As he tried and failed with his ledger.

It was because I was contacted by some people concerned with the preservation of these artifacts, that I thought I could maybe talk some sense into you all.

If you notice my post there was nothing in there that said he had to do anything that I said, I was just giving my opinion, and I was hoping he could take a bit of advice from someone who understands about our heritage and past rather than than a group of people as it seems on here, very selfish as regards to our historical past and only looking after number one.

In fact because of the attitude on here, of which I would say I am very ashamed to be associated, with regards to our very precious heritage.

I have morals, and it seems a few of you don't.

So goodbye and farewell, and hope you don't send all our heritage across the world.

Cedge

Awww... John....
Get your nickers out of your crack there guy. This packing your kit and departing is getting to be a bit overdone. Your opinion is not without merit, but neither is that of young James. No one rushed in wanting to preserve this historic stuff until after James made a strenuous personal effort to do so. Now that the thing requires no more physical output, it's hardly kosher to advise him to give it all away for a pittance. No one but James seemed to care one whit when the stuff was bound for ashes. Making him feel guilty for making his bit is not even close to fair to the boy.

If there are those who want to preserve the lot in some historical registry... let them negotiate a fair deal. Museums have acquisition funds... the kid doesn't.

Loving heritage as much as anyone... but

Steve

IndianaRog

John, we all have our opinions and as I was one of a few to stand up and make James a firm offer, I don't take kindly to the clearly pointed comment that "some" on here have no morals. I assume that was directed squarely at me. I have plenty of morals thank you very much.

This is NOT a matter of morals or hawking the Crown Jewels in the form of scrap patterns. It seems easy for a few folks to get all high and mighty about the sanctity of these old patterns, but save for one 15 year old boy, no one gave a damn about them including Heritage Trusts, you and others who NOW would like to comb over the pile and relieve James of what he busted his butt to save from the flames.

If I buy two 4" x 6" pieces of crosshatched boards from James, it is small financial reward for him...for me it is a way to actually touch and hold a bit of that heritage which my mom (Exeter warbride) left behind to start a new life in the USA. Trust me, I won't make boot scrapers out of them or use them to prop up the commode...I will carefully clean, oil and polish them to bring out the natural beauty of the wood and craftsmanship. Then I'll proudly display them with my collection of steam related items and will re-tell the story of how one kid with a warm spot for heritage, a strong back and yes a desire to make some money for his efforts, saved them from becoming so much kindling. Bravo for James...he did not stand idle and cast dispersions...he got his muck spreader and took action and I applaud him and will reward him for that.

I hope James is able to keep the best of the best for himself and sell the rest to others who will cherish the bits of English heritage he cared enough to save. If you choose to take a hike over this matter, you have very, very thin skin indeed...we can all state our opinions on a matter like this without turning our back and leaving.

Cedge

Dang Roger.... Now tell us how you really feel...LOL. You said it all.... and even better. James might eat anything that can't out run him, his affection for sheep might be a wee bit high and his since of humor is certainly whacked, but a lack of morals has never been evidenced. I'm calling foul on that one. Totally out of bounds and deserving of an apology.

Steve

John Chapman

johnreid

I think it would have been best to have poured Petrol over the lot and let them burn, at least that way no dirty foreigner would end up with anything and lord forbid a 15 year old boy would have been deprived of a few dreams.
Why didnt the Historic Trust go for them then, I know of individuals who had no say when they wanted items that they had.
I too am insulted that individuals, who I respected, have such an attitude that if one doesnt agree with them then they should pack up their toys and go home. Lets be adults here, so far James is the only one acting his age.

Cedge

Hmmmm
Gotta wonder where all those historically concerned folks were when it was just future firewood. How many were clamoring at the fences, trying to get in to assist young James while he was digging it all out and hauling it away? I don't recall James mentioning any crowds of historically minded souls competing for any of it back then.

James...you're the rightful owner by default and you are perfectly within your rights to decide how the items are dealt with.

Steve

johnreid

If the Historic Trust had really wanted them, James would never have gotten them in the first place. I am also sure that the HT would have little to no problem getting some of them if they asked properly, James isnt all that greedy. Come on give him a break.
I am not saying this just because I am one of those "Colonists" that revolt against the crown.

Nick

By the looks of it, James has been saving these for almost a year:

http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org...amp;highlight=casting&start=0

Mamodman123

Wow this is very sad

Flouncing over some patterns that were going to be burnt, where were all the so called people that cared when these were going to be burnt to a crisp? No one went to get them but James.

To me its a load of old rotten wood, useless if you will, cannot be used for casting so just useless firewood.

Just because its part of our history doesn't mean it has to stay here, gives people across the world a chance to see these so called "artifacts" hmmm not exactly a pot from the 16th century

Hes not going to get "rich" of them anyway for god sake.

Grow up for god sake

Nick

I had found one in a different thread that I was interested in.

James is going out of his way to take more pictures and get me the dimensions, without me having even made him an offer yet.

The ones I found were in a big heap, and he doesn't even know if he'll be able to find them, but he is still going to look for me.

Thank you James!

johnreid

Over 300 years ago my ancestors were British Subjects, although I am not British, I can have some pride in my ancestry. I am all for preservation of Britons Heritage and in fact think that if one of those graced the shelf in my house that I would be spreading Britons Heritage, not taking it away.
Why insinuate that James TOOK those from the people of Briton, they were kindling, fodder for the bonfire. He IS preserving them and sharing them with others.

MooseMan

This is all very sad and unnecessary. Can I suggest that this thread be locked before any more noses are put out of joint?

Nick

It was earlier stated that James is trying to make a quick buck.

I don't see any problem with that at all, but I do not believe it to be his only intentions.

It is no different than one of us buying a steam engine in a little shop for a cheap price. We give it a quick cleaning and triple (or more) our money on ebay.

James has spent close to or more than a year messing around with these patterns, so I feel he should be able to make some money on them.

I'd like to see a few get put up on ebay, so they can get spread throughout the world.

James

Well I must say a huge thankyou to Steve, Rog, Nick, Moose, MM, and John for putting their heads on the chopping block for me.

It's really appreciated

If you feel the need to leave then please feel free to do so.

A few patterns out of a few thousand being sold hardly matters does it?

I was going to say that I should have let them burn, but it's already been said and better worded then I could have.

I applaud the good fellows of this forum

Mamodman123

If you want a pattern then PM James

James

Can I just say...

If some of you are thinking these are Marshall's property, think again.

Dad's mate got the contract to demolish the factory and clear it out, meaning whatever they took out was 1) could do what they wanted with it 2) their property.

They then allowed me to have them, in return for a little favour, and thus they are now my property.

made-in-england

Well TBH If you dont think its a good idea selling them then dont read the bloody posts in this thread! And if you have done and feel the need to leave as james says "Feel Free" I am looking forward to reciving mine and lets hope that by buying one it donsnt make me a "Bad Person!!!"