Les Marsh
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My Krauss Accessories.These two arrived via John Reid yesterday.
Wilhelm Krauss. Sawyer with Bowsaw, c1935.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss. Sawyer with Circular saw, c1935.
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Les Marsh
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The pair together.
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IndianaRog
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Nice pieces Les. I am not familiar with the Krauss name, mostly as I am pretty ignorant of the Nurembourg period other than names like Bing, Doll, Planck etc. It must have been a prolific time for such makers!
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Les Marsh
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| IndianaRog wrote: | | Nice pieces Les. I am not familiar with the Krauss name, mostly as I am pretty ignorant of the Nurembourg period other than names like Bing, Doll, Planck etc. It must have been a prolific time for such makers! |
Thankyou, and if you can have a look at the book 'Steam Toys, A Symphony in Motion' as it gives wonderful examples in there. 
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johnreid
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What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones.
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Atticman
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Amazing condition Les, well done.
John will soon be setting up as UK US freight.com
(Now theres a though John  )
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones. |
As you know John, one was in a box, not the original, and written in pencil on the lid is "For the Steam Engine", and I too am surprised at how good they are as it seems they have had very little use.
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Les Marsh
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| Atticman wrote: | Amazing condition Les, well done.
John will soon be setting up as UK US freight.com
(Now theres a though John ) |
Yes they are, it fact I am surprised John let them go.
John might not realise it but he already is. (Lucky for me)
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kusuchi
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| johnreid wrote: | What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones. |
The condition looks superb. An excellent addition.
Can you believe those got to UK faster than the Sausage Maker got here. 
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johnreid
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| kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones. |
The condition looks superb. An excellent addition.
Can you believe those got to UK faster than the Sausage Maker got here. |
I sure thought Priority to USVI would have taken no more than a week. my surprise! Someplace I have the insurance receipt, if it doesnt arrive soon, let me know.
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | | kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones. |
The condition looks superb. An excellent addition.
Can you believe those got to UK faster than the Sausage Maker got here. |
I sure thought Priority to USVI would have taken no more than a week. my surprise! Someplace I have the insurance receipt, if it doesnt arrive soon, let me know. |
If it doesn't, I have another one coming from Germany.
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kusuchi
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | | kusuchi wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | What amazed me is how nice a condition those were in. I assume that the seller used them with the Fleischmann 120 that I now have.
I am so anxious to get my pair of identical ones. |
The condition looks superb. An excellent addition.
Can you believe those got to UK faster than the Sausage Maker got here. |
I sure thought Priority to USVI would have taken no more than a week. my surprise! Someplace I have the insurance receipt, if it doesnt arrive soon, let me know. |
If it doesn't, I have another one coming from Germany. |
Only express mail is guaranteed. Priority mail is usually a week, but every now and then it throws you a curved ball. 17 days is my record so far
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Les Marsh
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Here's hoping it doesn't take that long.
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johnreid
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I think the postage for Express mail would almost buy another Sausagemaker. I worry by nature, too many things in the past 8 years have gone so wrong that I worry when there is nothing to worry about.
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oldstuff
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Les, those are simply fantastic! I've got the Steam Toys Book, too. Those pieces
John sent you are about as close to new as it gets with toys as old as those are!
Must be incredibly rare in that condition. Well done, indeed!
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Les Marsh
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| oldstuff wrote: | Les, those are simply fantastic! I've got the Steam Toys Book, too. Those pieces
John sent you are about as close to new as it gets with toys as old as those are!
Must be incredibly rare in that condition. Well done, indeed! |
Thankyou, they are not far off being brand new.
Did you notice the one with the circular saw is not in the book.
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Manxman
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Les, they are very good and great additions. One of the reasons why the condition is so good is to do with the lithographing process. On the very early (1900 - 1914ish) period figures, they didn't have any undercoat on them and the paint was put straight onto the bare metal. Over time these models have not lasted so well. By the 1920's the process is a lot better and rust seems to be the main danger for these little workmen.
I've got one of these figures and I know you're going to enjoy yours.
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Nick
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Wasn't one missing an arm? 
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Les Marsh
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| Nick wrote: | | Wasn't one missing an arm? |
No, it just looked as if it was, it had doubled back on itself so you couldn't see it.
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Wallace
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Excellent accessories 
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Nick
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | Nick wrote: | | Wasn't one missing an arm? |
No, it just looked as if it was, it had doubled back on itself so you couldn't see it. |
Did you know that before you bought it?
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Les Marsh
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| Nick wrote: | | Les Marsh wrote: | | Nick wrote: | | Wasn't one missing an arm? |
No, it just looked as if it was, it had doubled back on itself so you couldn't see it. |
Did you know that before you bought it? |
Yes by looking at the pictures provided I could see the rest of the arm, and knowing that the bowsaw was still attached and not hanging down gave it away as well.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Watermill with Trip Hammer, c1946, #5036/6
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Mill with Trip Hammers, c 1935.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Chromotrpe, c 1930.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Four Seat Swingboats, c 1930.
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johnreid
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Such a nice collection, although I still favor the engines, I am acquiring a liking and appreciation for the accessories. I think a collection needs both.
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | | Such a nice collection, although I still favor the engines, I am acquiring a liking and appreciation for the accessories. I think a collection needs both. |
Thankyou John, and there is a few more to come yet.
I started with engines and after a while I got a hankering for something to drive off them and it started from there.
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Les Marsh
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I was given this one today as a late birthday present from my sister.
Wilhelm Krauss Man at Stamping Press, c 1935.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Mill with Trip Hammers, c 1930.
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steamyjim
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Very nice!
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Les Marsh
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| steamyjim wrote: | | Very nice! |
Thankyou.
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johnreid
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You need to do a Web Page Les those are too nice not to share.
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steamgranny
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More lovely accessories! And agree these are worthy of a devoted web site or a stickied reference thread.
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Les Marsh
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| steamgranny wrote: | | More lovely accessories! And agree these are worthy of a devoted web site or a stickied reference thread. |
Thankyou, I do not know about a website yet as I have some more accessories to come.
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Nick
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Add them as they arrive. 
I will get a website going some time soon too.
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johnreid
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Freewebs is great, and it is so easy to add and change things around. Take a look at mine, if I can do it, anybody can.
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oldstuff
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All those are yours, Les? Gawd, I love 'em all! I think the swingboats
might be my favorite, though!
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | | Freewebs is great, and it is so easy to add and change things around. Take a look at mine, if I can do it, anybody can. |
Freewebs are good but my ISP doesn't think so. 
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Les Marsh
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| oldstuff wrote: | All those are yours, Les? Gawd, I love 'em all! I think the swingboats
might be my favorite, though! |
Yes they are mine, and thankyou, I do like the swingboats but I prefer the hammers and the chromotrope.
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Wallace
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Some beautiful stuff here. Actually all of it is
Very informative thread too. As it's all one maker, I think it should go to the ref library
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Les Marsh
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Thankyou, and I have another 6 or 7 items on their way as well.
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Wallace
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No worries, and will wait till it's finished
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Windmill. c 1946.
Although this last one is blurry, you can just make out the WK logo to the left of the door..
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Chromotrope. c 1935.
The new one against my other one for size comparison.
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paul_c
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I was on my way to bed and thought I would jump on for a few minutes Boy I am glad I did, lovely collection and great to see the vids. Thanks
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Les Marsh
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| paul_c wrote: | | I was on my way to bed and thought I would jump on for a few minutes Boy I am glad I did, lovely collection and great to see the vids. Thanks |
Thankyou.
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kusuchi
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Quite an impressive collection you're creating there, Les
I assume that is the middle size Windmill? When does the small one arrive? I'll keep an eye out for the large one. Would be awesome to have the set.
Didn't know you had the Mills. Love the one with the trip hammers.
The swing boats always looks great.
Are you going to mount them in displays, grouped by type perhaps?
Or do you still have no idea how many you're going to end up with? 
I'll let you know if I come across Mickey Mouse! 
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Les Marsh
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Thanks Richard,
I think it's the middle one but sizes are slightly different.
It is 11.5cm x 7cm x 16.5cm, has a base similar to the first one and has a green roof, not red as in the book. It has the WK mark on the front and on the bottom it has either 156/49 or 756/49 and possibly 1Fr.65.
The small one should arrive this week, but Mirko is still waiting for it. And having the set would be nice but is that a set with red roofs and a set with green ones??
I will mount them in groups with room to expand , and there is always a space for Mickey Mouse.
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Les Marsh
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I am still waiting 5 more Krauss items to arrive including two more small mills.
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kusuchi
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | I am still waiting 5 more Krauss items to arrive including two more small mills. |
Look forward to seeing them.
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Steve_S
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I can't remember when I last enjoyed a thread so much as this one, and I'm not usually an accesories man, but this stuff is wonderful. The Chromoscope especially.... it would be fairly straight forward to make one I think....
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Les Marsh
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| Steve_S wrote: | | I can't remember when I last enjoyed a thread so much as this one, and I'm not usually an accesories man, but this stuff is wonderful. The Chromoscope especially.... it would be fairly straight forward to make one I think.... |
Thanks.
It should be simple, all it is is three discs, one large and two small.
The small ones have six equally spaced dimples and each alternate dimple is coloured - red/silver on one, green/silver on the other.
The large disc pivots on its centre and the two small ones pivot on their centres directly opposite each other in two small slots.
All you do then is spin it.
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Steve_S
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Ah, the small ones are in slots. Are they spring loaded to press onto the rim of the bigger wheel? Or is it just centrifugal force that does it?
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Les Marsh
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| Steve_S wrote: | | Ah, the small ones are in slots. Are they spring loaded to press onto the rim of the bigger wheel? Or is it just centrifugal force that does it? |
Just centrifugal force.
You understood what I wrote then.
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Steve_S
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | Steve_S wrote: | | Ah, the small ones are in slots. Are they spring loaded to press onto the rim of the bigger wheel? Or is it just centrifugal force that does it? |
Just centrifugal force.
You understood what I wrote then. |
Yes, perfectly clear! Food for thought...
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pauly
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | Steve_S wrote: | | I can't remember when I last enjoyed a thread so much as this one, and I'm not usually an accesories man, but this stuff is wonderful. The Chromoscope especially.... it would be fairly straight forward to make one I think.... |
Thanks.
It should be simple, all it is is three discs, one large and two small.
The small ones have six equally spaced dimples and each alternate dimple is coloured - red/silver on one, green/silver on the other.
The large disc pivots on its centre and the two small ones pivot on their centres directly opposite each other in two small slots.
All you do then is spin it.
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WOW far out man
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johnreid
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Do you know the years that Krauss was in business?
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kusuchi
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| johnreid wrote: | | Do you know the years that Krauss was in business? |
In what form?
It operated as Krauss, Mohr & company from 1895 to1903.
Mohr and Krauss from1901 to 1923.
Wilhelm Krauss from 1923 to 1938
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johnreid
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I need to learn more about this, One thing I notice is that one can see a particular Accessory and it can be made by various manufacturers by the year it was produced. I assume that either tooling was purchased, or just a good job of copying was done.
Just like Fleischmann and Wilesco to a degree as Wilesco was a parts supplier to Fleischmann and then later made some very similar items.
I assume that Linemar was just reverse engineering.
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Les Marsh
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When one company went into demise and was taken over by another they used the same tooling and carried on making the accessories under the new name, which is why when some pieces are unmarked it is hard to determine who the maker was.
Also Doll used to make the accessories for Bowman.
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Nick
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Les, I think it was a Bing that you have from 1899, do you have any Krauss items from before 1900?
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johnreid
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For example, who made the workmen of which one is heading your way real soon? I hope some pictures can be taken today.
They look like Krauss, but are from Germany US Zone, which makes it right after WWII.
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Les Marsh
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| Nick wrote: | | Les, I think it was a Bing that you have from 1899, do you have any Krauss items from before 1900? |
No I do not have any pre 1900 Krauss accessories, yet, and it is a Bing Fountain c1899.
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | For example, who made the workmen of which one is heading your way real soon? I hope some pictures can be taken today.
They look like Krauss, but are from Germany US Zone, which makes it right after WWII. |
As far as I know Krauss were the only maker to use that type of base. It could be that when Krauss closed down all their stock was taken by someone else and used up.
But looking at the picture of the man with the circular saw and the one I have they are identical.
Just another mystery to solve.
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Les Marsh
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | johnreid wrote: | For example, who made the workmen of which one is heading your way real soon? I hope some pictures can be taken today.
They look like Krauss, but are from Germany US Zone, which makes it right after WWII. |
As far as I know Krauss were the only maker to use that type of base. It could be that when Krauss closed down all their stock was taken by someone else and used up.
But looking at the picture of the man with the circular saw and the one I have they are identical.
Just another mystery to solve. |
Just had another thought, maybe they well selling off old stock and the regulations at the time said it had to be stamped to say where it originated from.
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johnreid
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So the stamp might be the only post war part? Cool, that means I might have some pre-war accessories!
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Les Marsh
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I had another Krauss accessory arrive today. It is another Water Mill but this one differs as it has a tree and the pulley is at the front whereas on the other one it is at the back.
Wilhelm Krauss Water Mill with Trip Hammer, c1935.
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johnreid
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Do you have a display case of some sort for these? I notice that one is in the little Shire book.
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Les Marsh
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| johnreid wrote: | | Do you have a display case of some sort for these? I notice that one is in the little Shire book. |
Not at the moment I don't, but as I am running out of shelf and bench space I need to sort some out.
It's the the snippets in the book which makes it more interesting that you first think it is.
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duncandumpertruck
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I do like all these accessories that seem to be about  . Do you run them as one offs or are you mounting them and running them off line shafts?
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Les Marsh
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| duncandumpertruck wrote: | | I do like all these accessories that seem to be about . Do you run them as one offs or are you mounting them and running them off line shafts? |
Thankyou, I will mount them eventually but gives a problem on where and how to store boards with figures on.
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oldstuff
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Nice mill, Les! Heck, they'd be great to collect even if you don't mount 'em.
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johnreid
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I believe that If I was to mount them, I would make individual bases for them.
I do believe I will get another router this summer for that very purpose.
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Wallace
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Very nice water mill Les. Just fascinating seeing your accessories. They are certainly something that could be collected by a non steam engine collector too.
Really nice to look at
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Les Marsh
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| Wallace wrote: | Very nice water mill Les. Just fascinating seeing your accessories. They are certainly something that could be collected by a non steam engine collector too.
Really nice to look at |
Thank you, all you need to run them is a lineshaft and an electric motor.
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johnreid
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Tin Toy collectors seek those too, they would only display them static.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Woodsman, c1935.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Water Mill with Triphammer, c1946, #5036/6
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Les Marsh
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All three of my Water Mills, and each one has a slight difference to each other.
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Les Marsh
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Wilhelm Krauss Windmill, c1946, #5062.
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Les Marsh
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Both of my Windmills together.
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kusuchi
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I didn't realize you had three Water Mills. Any feeling for how the differences place them chronologically?
You really need to think seriously about a Steam Accessories website. Your collection is becoming extremely impressive and you're already moving beyond the scope of the Steam Toys book.
It could become the new definitive reference guide.
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Manxman
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| kusuchi wrote: | I didn't realize you had three Water Mills. Any feeling for how the differences place them chronologically?
You really need to think seriously about a Steam Accessories website. Your collection is becoming extremely impressive and you're already moving beyond the scope of the Steam Toys book.
It could become the new definitive reference guide. |
I have to agree. It's a great idea.
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Les Marsh
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| kusuchi wrote: | I didn't realize you had three Water Mills. Any feeling for how the differences place them chronologically?
You really need to think seriously about a Steam Accessories website. Your collection is becoming extremely impressive and you're already moving beyond the scope of the Steam Toys book.
It could become the new definitive reference guide. |
I have had two arrive in the last two days, the earliest one (c1935) has the pulley at the front and the other two (c1946) have subtle colour differences - green is a different shade, wheels are different colours and so are the hammers.
As for moving out of the scope of the Toy Steam book, I am nowhere near it .
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johnreid
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IT can be fun building a web page, I for one sure would appreciate it if you did. You have the knowledge and the different examples to show which is which and what makes each one special.
I must admit that the accessories are getting to be as interesting as the engines. Only a few certain engines would fill the gaps in my collection, plus if I am in the chips and something unusual comes along I might add it to the collection. I fear the cheap ones to fix up and sell are going to be too competitive to get.
Accessories seem to be a nice area and there are some knowledgeable people to help me.
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kusuchi
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| Les Marsh wrote: | | kusuchi wrote: | I didn't realize you had three Water Mills. Any feeling for how the differences place them chronologically?
You really need to think seriously about a Steam Accessories website. Your collection is becoming extremely impressive and you're already moving beyond the scope of the Steam Toys book.
It could become the new definitive reference guide. |
I have had two arrive in the last two days, the earliest one (c1935) has the pulley at the front and the other two (c1946) have subtle colour differences - green is a different shade, wheels are different colours and so are the hammers.
As for moving out of the scope of the Toy Steam book, I am nowhere near it . |
I beg to differ, Les.
In the fields of Krauss, Doll, Fleischman and Arnold, you are already close , particularly with a little help from your friends!
(Yes that's you! Forum accessory owners....get posting.)
We just need to find literature to help us date the material more accurately. (Which will probably be in German.) Mirko?
If you're willing to give it a shot, I'm willing to help.
Anyone else want to sign on? We have an opportunity to create a significant piece of history here.
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Nick
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I have abunch of engines and accessories and will be starting my own website shortly. I will let you use any pics and information I have.
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Manxman
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I've got a few bits and quite a few books and catalouges to help identify and date bits. Count me in, if I can help.
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Les Marsh
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I will not be shy in asking for help to identify and date items and it is interesting on how many books you pick along the way as well as every little piece of information is vital, and of course if I can help anyone else I will endeavour to do so.
I will look into starting a website thisweekend.
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johnreid
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| Quote: | | I will look into starting a website thisweekend. |
Great news, I cant wait.
There are a few that I visit on occasion just to look at all of the cool Toys, Rogers site for example, yours will definitely be one of my Favorites.
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Nick
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Les, as soon as you start yours, I will start mine.
I created it a couple of months ago, but never put anything on it yet.
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Les Marsh
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This arrived this morning via John, thankyou, the only thing missing is the sandpaper off the rim of the grinding wheel which is easy to replace.
This is a pre-war model with a post-war stamp on the bottom.
Wilhelm Krauss Grinder, c1935.
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Wallace
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Fantastic
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Nick
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Are you going to bring it back to working condition, or do the sparks damage the paint?
My Wilesco one doesn't look like it has any paint damage, but it sure gets dusty after you use it.
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Les Marsh
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I will stick some sandpaper back on it and get it working, and no, the sparks do no damage to the paintwork what so ever.
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Les Marsh
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Just thought I would post some group shots.
All the Triphammers together.
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Les Marsh
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A small group of workmen.
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johnreid
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They look so nice all together like that
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