Archive for The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum The Original Unofficial Toy Steam Forum Established 2006 The biggest, most popular steam forum around! Accept NO imitations! We have a growing community of regular posting members who chat about all aspects of toy and model steam.          The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Locomotives CCairns My Live Steam Loco's No.3 - I.P. Jane My third live steam loco is this I.P. Jane. This was won on ebay about 3 years ago. On receipt I found the bodywork had been mis-fitted at the rear of the smokebox. After oiling up, etc the first steaming failed to get the wheels to move. After removing the cylinders, refitting and more oiling around I finally got the wheels to turn. Several runs later on my rolling road, and this loco now runs with excellent regulator control. The only part of this loco that is the same as the Mamod loco is the smokebox casting, the rest is all very much better. It is fitted with centre buffer couplings which are not quite compatible with my mainly Mamod rolling stock, so I may change these for Multi-height couplings instead. Chris Cairns. Mamodman123 Looks VERY mamody Looks well built though! what do these retail at? How much more powerful is it than a mamod loco? SillyBilly PPS make it now called 'Janet' www.pps-steam-models.co.uk/pps.htm ! I like it, but to be honest at the price they retail at when you get the gas burner, I'd rather a 'Edrig'. Graham-Jilly Good to meet another of your locos. G-J Chris SillyBilly wrote: PPS make it now called 'Janet' www.pps-steam-models.co.uk/pps.htm ! I like it, but to be honest at the price they retail at when you get the gas burner, I'd rather a 'Edrig'. I came very close to buying a Janet, and to be honest after seeing them and handling them I am still tempted. Very solid bits of kit. But as you say they are expensive for what you get compared to an Edrig. I would say thought that if you start with an ebay Mamod and add on all the upgrades to get close to a Janet spec then financially you might as well just buy a Janet. Mamodman123 Chris wrote: SillyBilly wrote: PPS make it now called 'Janet' www.pps-steam-models.co.uk/pps.htm ! I like it, but to be honest at the price they retail at when you get the gas burner, I'd rather a 'Edrig'. I came very close to buying a Janet, and to be honest after seeing them and handling them I am still tempted. Very solid bits of kit. But as you say they are expensive for what you get compared to an Edrig. I would say thought that if you start with an ebay Mamod and add on all the upgrades to get close to a Janet spec then financially you might as well just buy a Janet. I guess you could, but where's the fun in that? Chris Yes, that is why I said financially. You would miss out on the fun. Mamodman123 Chris wrote: Yes, that is why I said financially. You would miss out on the fun. How much are they? Chris Start at £305, go up to nearly £390 (with spoked wheels, pressure gauge, gas burner). But then if you consider that as standard they come with the upgraded boiler at £100, upgraded pistons £40, upgraded reverser £20, upgraded wheels £25, upgraded safety valve £8, water top up £6, regulator £23, meths burner £24 (so we are up to £250 ish of upgrades just counting the ones I can think of).... Of course, you don't need all those upgrades on a Mamod loco, but then if you did want them all, and didn't want to do the work then financially speaking you should just buy a Janet. Also in my opinion they look very nice, and the bodywork looks very well put together. They also weigh far more than a Mamod loco. If I saw one second hand I would certainly bid on it. tinkttt home made? any plans on that homemade rolling road plesae?looks doable by anyone and very good idea Mamodman123 Chris wrote: Start at £305, go up to nearly £390 (with spoked wheels, pressure gauge, gas burner). But then if you consider that as standard they come with the upgraded boiler at £100, upgraded pistons £40, upgraded reverser £20, upgraded wheels £25, upgraded safety valve £8, water top up £6, regulator £23, meths burner £24 (so we are up to £250 ish of upgrades just counting the ones I can think of).... Of course, you don't need all those upgrades on a Mamod loco, but then if you did want them all, and didn't want to do the work then financially speaking you should just buy a Janet. Also in my opinion they look very nice, and the bodywork looks very well put together. They also weigh far more than a Mamod loco. If I saw one second hand I would certainly bid on it. Bit too much for me unfortunatly would take a very long time for me to save up. I've still not even seen one in action Chris Re: home made? tinkttt wrote: any plans on that homemade rolling road plesae?looks doable by anyone and very good idea Roly has made one from meccano, do a site search and you should find it. I had an idea to make one using conveyor belt rollers, but it hasn't been a priority so haven't bothered. MTA Re: home made? tinkttt wrote: any plans on that homemade rolling road plesae?looks doable by anyone and very good idea It's not homemade, it is made by John Prescott engineering: http://www.prescottlocos.fsnet.co.uk/ tmuir Re: home made? tinkttt wrote: any plans on that homemade rolling road plesae?looks doable by anyone and very good idea Here is the link to the one made by Rolly out of meccano http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about922.html CCairns My Live Steam Loco's No.3 - I.P. Jane As MTA has correctly pointed out my rolling road is made by John Prescott Engineering. Whilst not cheap I have found this very useful in getting my locos to run correctly, as running on blocks puts no load on the wheels, and if I can get a loco to run freely on the rolling road, then it should work well on my loop of Mamod track. Chris Cairns. CCairns Having recently joined the 16mm NGM, I was hoping to get this loco modified for running at our local group's meetings. However it is taking longer than expected. As the local group is not really in favour of Meths fired locos, I took the opportunity to fit a gas burner that was previously fitted to an SL1K I'm repairing. The chassis spacer provided by IP Eng actually allows you to hold up the Meths burner, unlike the later ones that they and PPS produced. You can see it in the front right of this photo. The chassis spacer is actually shorter than the standard Mamod/MSS spacer, and I had a problem with the axles binding. On checking the rear axle had a smaller back to back gauge set than the front axle, so punching the axle out from the wheels slightly, plus loctiting a coupling pin back in (it had been scoring against the chassis sideplates), had these wheels running freely again. I currently use a butane/propane mix gas, and even on the lowest setting this is too hot for this boiler and the water runs out before the gas. Just as well it is silver soldered. The gas tank fouled the regulator, and I found that the longer regulator fitted to a PPS boiler I have for another project is a different thread. So a piece of rod plus some tubing was soldered up to make an extended regulator, which now operates behind the cab back. I got some white metal multi height couplings off ebay, and after fitting these with a 6BA threaded stud, these were primed and painted matt black. 2 cylinder covers that I've had in my spare parts box have been modified by soldering a piece of brass to the front, and after filing down the bulges on the inside of the bufferbeam where the bufferplate is fixed with 6BA screws & nuts, I've drilled these to be fitted by the same screws & nuts. I've removed the very amateurish rivet detail that was poorly punched on these covers, but my Milliput does not seem to be setting very hard these days (must have gone off). I managed to solder one up, and that is half way through being painted black. The other is in the photo above. Following a link to a supplier provided in the Steam Launch Forum, I've found a source of 1/2" pressure gauges, and they will provide a syphon tube and banjo bolt to fit as well. This would be fitted onto the top of the water sight glass tube, and I was planning to share the pressure gauge with an IP Jane/PPS Janet project that I'm slowly working on. Lamps irons and lamps were purchased from Brandbright. These have been primed, and await the purchase of some white & silver paint to finish. The lamp iron I glued to the top of the smokebox kept getting pulled off with all the manhandling, so that will be the last item to be completed. There is just enough space for a driver from Modeltown, this one is one they do for the IP Eng Jessie or Jack. I intend on getting a brass chimney cap and brass dome to cover up the water top-up valve. These are available from PPS, although Alan (Mamodevon) tells me that he will have them available from his new shop. He was hoping for a mid-April start, although I've not heard anymore on that recently. And to finish this loco off, I will be getting brass nameplates from PPS, having finally worked out how to name my locos. DLR Glad to here you joined the 16 millers. The water will run out before the gas as it is on many 16mm locos see here http://www.wendoverlightrailway.co.uk/reviews/PPS/PPS%20Janet.htm CCairns Quote: The water will run out before the gas as it is on many 16mm locos Not in my experience. On the one visit so far to my local 16mm NGM group session, all the locos used ran out of gas first. My Cheddar Iver does this, and if you look at the scanned instructions for the Mamod/MSS Gas burner here - http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about8119.html you will see it states 'The gas tank should run out before the boiler runs dry' I have found a local supplier with Butane only canisters, although sadly only the small size. So I'm going to try these to see what difference a cooler gas will have. Thanks for posting the link to the PPS Janet review, but I've been aware of that one for a long time now, as it was originally posted on the PPS website as well (their link is now out of date and does not work). tinkttt loco's been some nice loco projects on ebay lately,iv got the loco bug damnit,be buying an anorak soon! tink        The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Locomotives Page 1 of 1