Pmackh
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New Additions Part 2As I said in my last post, I would drip feed some of the new additions to my collection to the forum, Well , here is the next installment. The trouble is i dont know what make it is. It is very clean and the pistons are really well lubricated and seem to have a great bit of compression.There is no burner with it though. I would love some help in identifying the model. 
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newsteamer123
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im no expert, but the handles make e think of bing.
but it is a very nice loco
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johnreid
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Do you have a better picture of the decal on the front?
Really cool looking Loco , 32mm or larger?
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Pmackh
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Thanks newsteamer, by the way, hope you recover soon. 
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newsteamer123
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| Pmackh wrote: | | Thanks newsteamer, by the way, hope you recover soon. |
thanks 
and you're welcome
just forgive me if im wrong
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Pmackh
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Hi John, the inside wheel dimension is 36mm approx and the outer dimension is 56mm approx, I don't really know where you should take the dimensions to determine the gauge . Here is a close up of the front decal
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tmuir
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Sorry I can't help ID it, but it's very nice.
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Les
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I am pretty certain the safety valve is Bing.
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Dampfzauberer
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Yepp. it is a BING
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Ross
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| Dampfzauberer wrote: | | Yepp. it is a BING |
And a very nice one at that!
Ross
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newsteamer123
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CALLED IT!!!!
im getting smarter all ready
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Pmackh
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Thanks or your help guys. Now, I don't suppose anyone knows what model it is, and where can i get a burner ????
If any one can help I will show you my next addition !!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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newsteamer123
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it is a ceartain model and you can get the burner from somewhere
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Pmackh
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 Very funny ! but not a good enough answer 
You will need to do better than that 
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Ross
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| Pmackh wrote: | Thanks or your help guys. Now, I don't suppose anyone knows what model it is, and where can i get a burner ????
If any one can help I will show you my next addition !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Someone help him!!!!!!!!! He needs professional help!
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newsteamer123
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im googleing it as we speek
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Pmackh
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Hope you have better luck than I did !
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newsteamer123
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nope 
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johnreid
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There are several members that have reprints of old Bing Catalogs maybe one of them will find it.
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Les
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| johnreid wrote: | | There are several members that have reprints of old Bing Catalogs maybe one of them will find it. |
I have looked through the ones I have but no luck so far. 
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Pmackh
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Thanks Guys,  The curiosity is really getting to me now. Is it definitely a bing ? I have been searching the net for days and cant seem to find a photo that identifies it. Anybody else able to help ?
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Roly Williams
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I'll have a look in my repro catalogues when I get home, but I get the impression that it's a later model and my cat's are all earlier.
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Roly Williams
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | I'll have a look in my repro catalogues when I get home, but I get the impression that it's a later model and my cat's are all earlier. |
I've just checked my Bing catalogues, from 1898 - 1915, and no 0-4-0T's. There are a few 0-4-0's but they are all with tenders, no side tanks. I think this loco must be later than 1915.
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johnreid
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When did 48mm come into fashion? Most Bings I can find info on were O 32mm
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967
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The sign in front which says it is classic gauge 1 makes it shure that it certainly is a BING engine. When you donīt find it in your catalogues it might be a rare one manufactured for Basset-Lowke. This would make sense as thereīs no typical BW sign. This sits normally under the smokebox where the gauge 1 sign takes place. The loco will run fine on 45mm rails. The thick rims of the wheels make them look like 48mm but thats ok!
cheers Joe
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Les
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | Roly Williams wrote: | | I'll have a look in my repro catalogues when I get home, but I get the impression that it's a later model and my cat's are all earlier. |
I've just checked my Bing catalogues, from 1898 - 1915, and no 0-4-0T's. There are a few 0-4-0's but they are all with tenders, no side tanks. I think this loco must be later than 1915. |
I have a 1927 - 1936 catalogue but I cannot see it in there.
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alan2525
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | Roly Williams wrote: | | I'll have a look in my repro catalogues when I get home, but I get the impression that it's a later model and my cat's are all earlier. |
I've just checked my Bing catalogues, from 1898 - 1915, and no 0-4-0T's. There are a few 0-4-0's but they are all with tenders, no side tanks. I think this loco must be later than 1915. |
Unless I've been drinking too much Fullers Golden Pride - looks like a 4-4-0T to me.
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johnreid
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There is a Basset Lowke Society, maybe if you email someone there and asked, they might have an idea
Most hobbiests enjoy helping identify an item
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Pmackh
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I have sent an email to the Bassett lowke society. So If I get a reply I will let you know. It s a 4-4-0 by the way. Thanks for your help everybody, its much appreciated.
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Roly Williams
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Of course, you're right. I don't know why I typed 0-4-0 when I did actually mean 4-4-0  I was definitely looking for 4-4-0T's in the catalogues.
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bowman
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I will return soon with some definitive answers on this one!! Have enlisted the help of my vintage train friends!!
sandy
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bowman
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Heres some interesting news Pat. This is a reply i got from a VERY respected historian on early toy trains, and i quote.
"Your friend is very lucky. He has the Mark II Bing for Lowke G I North
London Tank Loco introduced in 1909 and sold until c1912. This was
scaled to G II, but only manufactured in G I. According to Ted Leech,
the authority on things like this, 48 were manufactured. Each was
numbered. If you look carefully in the back of the cab (towards the
lower inside left of the cab's backplate) you should find a small
applied disc of tinplate on which its number is stamped, this number
sometimes appears on the frames as well. This one is in very good
condition; one has been ruined (it appears in The Century of Model
Trains), another is a bitsa, and so on... what others there are have
been more or less 'restored'. I only know of one better. I am sure that
we would all be interested to hear what number this one is...if it is 49
Ted will have to reconsider!"
Cheers Sandy
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johnreid
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Cool
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967
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Didnīt I tell you it was an engine made by BING for Basset - Lowke?
And How rare it is ! ONLY 48 made!
I own three old iron horses for my pleasure,but now i am green with envy ! 
cheers Joe
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Pmackh
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That is so interesting Sandy , I can't wait to get home to have a look for the number, although I don't remember seeing anywhen I was examining it, I will keep you posted 
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Pmackh
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Thanks everyone for your help, You really are a great bunch of guys. The number stamped on the Loco is ..................................................................................................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 42 ! I have to say I am pretty chuffed .
So if its so rare, how the hell am i going to get a burner for it ?
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Roly Williams
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| Pmackh wrote: | Thanks everyone for your help, You really are a great bunch of guys. The number stamped on the Loco is ..................................................................................................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 42 ! I have to say I am pretty chuffed .
So if its so rare, how the hell am i going to get a burner for it ? |
But ... this is amazing. This is ... this is Life ... this is The Universe ... this is Everything!
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Atticman
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That is just sooooo cool isnt it. Years lying unknown, then discovered, one of 48 made. Great stuff all especially Joe and Sandy
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Les
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| Pmackh wrote: | Thanks everyone for your help, You really are a great bunch of guys. The number stamped on the Loco is ..................................................................................................................................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 42 ! I have to say I am pretty chuffed .
So if its so rare, how the hell am i going to get a burner for it ? |
That is great news, maybe they could send you some pictures and measurements and you can get one made.
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967
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I own a classic BING , a Märklin and a Bowman engine !
I will take some pictures of their burners to show how they look like if that will help!
cheers Joe
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Pmackh
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Cheers Joe,
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bowman
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Heres one in gauge 3.....
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Pmackh
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That would be great joe , if you wouldnt mind I would Really appreciate it
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bowman
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This is my gauge 1 Bing live steam loco. The burner is almost certainly very similar if not the same as the one you need Pat.
cheers Sandy
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Pmackh
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That's a beautiful engine ! I don't Know what to do about the burner though. Anyone know who could make one or better still where I could get an original ?
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Atticman
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| Pmackh wrote: | | That's a beautiful engine ! I don't Know what to do about the burner though. Anyone know who could make one or better still where I could get an original ? |
It sure looks like a complicated burner.
I know that Mirko (Dampzauber) has contacts who may be able to help you there, though finding an original must be a real long shot sadly
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Paul H
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That just looks like a twin tube vaporizing spirit burner. A bit more invoved to make than a standard multi wick burner, but not terribly complicated.
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Atticman
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| bowman wrote: | |
| Quote: | | That just looks like a twin tube vaporizing spirit burner. A bit more invoved to make than a standard multi wick burner, but not terribly complicated. |
Im not sure how it works- seems more like an extended version of the "gassifiers" that large Bing Marklin and Dols have- see the 2 tubes- I think they are the "Pilot lights" which warm up the central larger gassifier, this then heats up the 2 parralel tubes and they then burn ?
I cant see the small tube joining to the larger tube at the top, so I think thats what it is- thats complicated
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bowman
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Yes, thats excactly how it works, certainly very hard for average Joe to make one from scratch in my opinion.
sandy
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Atticman
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| bowman wrote: | Yes, thats excactly how it works, certainly very hard for average Joe to make one from scratch in my opinion.
sandy |
Well given its rarity I would think that Mirkos friend or contact would be likely to help out here, well worth the (more than likely) expense. I am pretty sure Ive seen him make a Bing gassifier burner- and a quality one at that
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Paul H
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Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It is an involved and labor intensive project, but does not appear to have any processed involved that are outside the realm of pretty readily available brass shapes.
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Pmackh
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My own personal feeling is that if I could get an original burner it would be the best option. I realise it could be expensive but given the nature of the model it would be worth the money. Would it be presumptuous of me to assume that they would not neccesarily make the burners model specific ? In other words one burner would suit a wide variety of models ? If that was the case, then I (or we???) could source a burner somewhere ? 
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dampfmaschinenjoe 1967
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you are right: The burners i own are not that complicated ! BTW keep that engine as it is ! Dontīrestore it: Even a worse original condition stays original
cheers Joe
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