Archive for The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum The Original Unofficial Toy Steam Forum Established 2006 The biggest, most popular steam forum around! Accept NO imitations! We have a growing community of regular posting members who chat about all aspects of toy and model steam.          The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Steam Launches and Boats H2o vapour Hi, Followed and enjoyed the thread, Well done and thanks for putting up with us lot!! The prop shaft should run very smoothly, and apart from it's weight should not be an addition to the strain on the engine. Sounds to me if it's tight , or worse, bent. I always have a washer at either end of a prop shaft & oil every time  - worth a check. Also, when you get it going you may need to change the prop, I use many different props and change to se which runs best. Steam props tend to be larger pitch and dia than most. Good luck H20 johnreid I wonder if plumbers grease would be good on the propshaft. I could be wrong but I sure think that the prop should spin freely when not connected to the engine. I also wold think that the prop should spin in the water even if not propelling the boat, or does it? I wonder if blade pitch might be an issue too? kusuchi Tested the boiler.... it's good. I think we might be onto something with the prop shaft.  It is a tight fit in the stuffing box, although well lubricated. One thing that has always concerned me is that the engine drive shaft is of course parallel to the deck.  The propshaft, however, is at a 15 degree angle approx.  The connection between the two is a piece of flexible rubber tubing perhaps 3 cm long at most.  This is where I feel most of the resistance is occuring. bessytractor kusuchi wrote: Tested the boiler.... it's good. I think we might be onto something with the prop shaft.  It is a tight fit in the stuffing box, although well lubricated. One thing that has always concerned me is that the engine drive shaft is of course parallel to the deck.  The propshaft, however, is at a 15 degree angle approx.  The connection between the two is a piece of flexible rubber tubing perhaps 3 cm long at most.  This is where I feel most of the resistance is occuring. I was literally about to make this observation and I think its almost certainly the problem. Your coupling has a definite dog leg in it, it would appear to be at its worst at the prop shaft end.  The thing to remember and the thing a lot of people get wrong about a universal joint coupling in a model boat is that its NOT there to take the drive through an angle at all.  Its merely a method of compensation for very slight inaccuracy.  You still need a good alignment between engine/motor and shaft for it to work efficiently with little or no wear.   You will indeed be encountering a lot of resistance here as your boat stands.  I suggest you re-align the engine so it is absolutely in line with the shaft as best you can.  It will cut down friction.  One way of testing is by turning the prop by hand, the only resistance should be in the engine itself.  The rubber coupling will also not help you at all, as it will try to flex as the engine spins it if its badly aligned.  A solid U/J would not do this.  It would just wear out.  The rubber coupling will be fine however when the the shafts are in good alignment. The fact your engines spindle is higher than the prop shaft complicates it a bit.  But it is absolutely, catagorically, 100% essential they are in good alignment with each other. And how do I know all this??? Because I've done it. I once had a badly aligned shaft and motor and it caused the greased prop shaft to actually heat up.  Not only that, so did the U/J coupling too!  And boy did they get toasty. I would definitely recommend that you try to correct this.  It might make the world of difference to your boat.  Its interesting as this is obviously a design flaw.  I wonder how many of these there are out there that have this problem, and how many have been corrected? I would be especially interested to see what would happen if Mooseman re-aligned Ellan Vannan's shafts.  I seem to remember the coupling on her being at a pretty severe angle (I did check pics of it just now to make sure I was not badmouthing his boat!).  It all saps energy from the engine.  Mooseman's would be very easy to re-align as the engine is almost level with the end of the shaft so if he packed up the front and had the engine leaning back toward the rear of the boat he could probably get a longer run time and faster speed out of his engine due to less energy being lost through resistance in the coupling. I have written quite a lot here as I wanted to convey how vitally important this area of model boating is.  I hope other people who are building their first boats will be able to glean some good running through my advice.   johnreid It looks quite easy to shim the cylinder so that it would tilt the proper amount, I will file that away in the dark cobwebby recesses of my brain in case I ever decide to build a boat. Les These pictures show the engine mount of my much loved and well used Fantail Launch. Although a bit on the oily side, you can see I had the same problem with the line up of the engine and shaft, so had to put a small wedge underneath to correct it. One thing you might want to do before you put the screws in is mark and drill the holes to stop it splitting. As you can see, I didn't. bessytractor Les Marsh wrote: These pictures show the engine mount of my much loved and well used Fantail Launch. Although a bit on the oily side, you can see I had the same problem with the line up of the engine and shaft, so had to put a small wedge underneath to correct it. One thing you might want to do before you put the screws in is mark and drill the holes to stop it splitting. As you can see, I didn't. and thats exactly what I described! Thanks for the pics Les, they help show what I was getting at lol   How long does she run for? Les For about 10-15 minutes at one speed and in one direction. bessytractor Les Marsh wrote: For about 10-15 minutes at one speed and in one direction. sounds good.  Am I right in thinking that the filler cap has the same thread as a Mamod safety valve?  Mooseman's Ellan Vannan has a mamod safety valve in one picture and it immediately set me thinking........water top up valve and big meths burner, you could go on and on and on and on...........   Les bessytractor wrote: Les Marsh wrote: For about 10-15 minutes at one speed and in one direction. sounds good.  Am I right in thinking that the filler cap has the same thread as a Mamod safety valve?  Mooseman's Ellan Vannan has a mamod safety valve in one picture and it immediately set me thinking........water top up valve and big meths burner, you could go on and on and on and on...........   Yes it does, as mine already has a Mamod safety valve fitted. bessytractor mine definitely getting a top up valve then   kusuchi Many many thanks, Bessy and Les. I am definately going to try this.   When I first read your posts, I thought yes, this has to be it! But then I went on Moose's site and studied the Ellen Vannin construction thread.   At the end of the thread he has a video of the engine running and the connection to the prop shaft is possibly even more acute than mine.  Yet his boat sails beautifully. I did notice he insulated the supply line so I might try that too. Les Try disconnecting the propshaft from the engine and see how freely the prop turns, thats if you have not done that already. H2o vapour Hi Again, All good info, easier said than done though. I have had a tremedous amount of trouble with prop shafts, I have 20 plus boats. Do you have a small elecrtic motor that you could couple to the shaft and get it turning well and then re-couple the steam unit back up, with the better alignment. Also is the rubber tube a good fit onto the two shafts?   Good luck H20 H2o vapour H20 - Again, I use this chap in the states for Radio Control ducks, as seen at STIA. He has a good range of items, his prop shaft / motor couplings are very good. His name is phil pace. He may be able to sort out a coupling that you could drop straight in to your model!! I think that he has also built the Elliot Bay - from email conversations that I have had with him.   For couplings look under parts http://www.vac-u-boat.com/KitsParts.htm Regards H20 MooseMan Been reading this with great interest....some fantastically useful comments. Bessy, I will definitely try the alignment on the Ellan Vannin. On my Arrow I took great pains with the alignment, and she does run beautifully. This system with an angled drive is pretty common in model boats though - for example on the Bowman-Luton boats a spring is used. Kusuchi, one thought.....your boat seems to run beautifully on the bench, shaft misalignment or no. What will happen if it goes in the water is that the prop will press up against the hull in order to shift it, and this pressure will translate to the engine if the propshaft shifts in it's stuffing box. This was a problem on one of my Bowman boats. To prevent that, check that the engine runs at optimum speed with the prop flush against the hull....this may just be a case of shifting the rubber tube a bit. bessytractor MooseMan wrote: Been reading this with great interest....some fantastically useful comments. Bessy, I will definitely try the alignment on the Ellan Vannin. On my Arrow I took great pains with the alignment, and she does run beautifully. This system with an angled drive is pretty common in model boats though - for example on the Bowman-Luton boats a spring is used. Kusuchi, one thought.....your boat seems to run beautifully on the bench, shaft misalignment or no. What will happen if it goes in the water is that the prop will press up against the hull in order to shift it, and this pressure will translate to the engine if the propshaft shifts in it's stuffing box. This was a problem on one of my Bowman boats. To prevent that, check that the engine runs at optimum speed with the prop flush against the hull....this may just be a case of shifting the rubber tube a bit. no problem Moose That last tips a good one too. Although the use of a dog legged couplings often used, its really bad practice to be honest.  It just wastes energy and creates friction. kusuchi               Sorry about the video quality, it is hard to manipulate a boat, the RC and a camcorder all at once.  Andrew is out on a real boat with a friend so he has not seen this yet. Indianna Rog,  I'm going to send this test tank back!  It's not big enough. For all of your advice.  Thank you all so very much. I did realign the drive shaft with the prop shaft as you suggested. Every time I put it in the Jacuzzi it runs better and better.  Other than showing Andrew tonight it's not going in again as I'm getting worried about damaging it careening into the sides. Moose, your point about the propshaft shifting in it's stuffing box, (thus creating friction), rings very true particularly if there is too much play in the coupling.  I might invest in a stiffer coupling.  In order to maintain a vertical rudder alignment I already have the skeg protruding beyond the keel.  If the prop is pushed all the way forward it wll rub on the skeg.  A stiffer coupling and/or Bessy's washer idea would also help with this. Was the supply line insulation on Ellan Vannin effective or cosmetic? H20,  thanks for the link and the benefit of your expertise.   A very happy and relieved Sandman Well done mate, great to see. A succesful trial. Just what was needed. Congrats.   bessytractor glad you got it sorted mate! It can only get better and better now   johnreid   It works! Eureka! Mission Accomplished, Mocha get your Life Jacket MooseMan BRILLIANT! Now get her running on the bench for a few hours until the engine's smooth as silk, and you'll see some real performance. Excellent news - I'm really pleased for you and Andrew!   H2o vapour Brilliant - Well Done!! As said, should get much better!! The hull shape on the original boats is meant for low power, this was one of the points of design when these boats were made. ( READ A COUPLE OF ARTICLES)  so PERFORMACE should improve. Do look at the prop and try others as this could get some extra speed.   Also look at the water and weather conditions when you sail her. small slim hull will not take heavy conditions Best of luck and thanks for building with us / for us. Real nice thread this one - H20 johnreid Quote: Also look at the water and weather conditions when you sail her. small slim hull will not take heavy conditions In other words, dont turn on the Jacuzzi It does my heart good to see it running, I have watched the video twice now. mogogear I am sure feeling good about all you "resources" hanging around - Richard your thread is such a rewarding thread to read while I am primering  and slowly doing sanding ... I can't wait to get to the fun stuff!! Congrats!!!!! bessytractor H2o vapour wrote: Brilliant - Well Done!! As said, should get much better!! The hull shape on the original boats is meant for low power, this was one of the points of design when these boats were made. ( READ A COUPLE OF ARTICLES)  so PERFORMACE should improve. Do look at the prop and try others as this could get some extra speed.   Also look at the water and weather conditions when you sail her. small slim hull will not take heavy conditions Best of luck and thanks for building with us / for us. Real nice thread this one - H20 low freeboard too, not one for a windy day. kusuchi Thanks H20, I used to own a real, slim hull, 23', high C o G boat, center console, bimini, etc. so I know all about how badly they handle in heavy seas. This launch, however, is destined for smooth swimming pools and millpond Carbbean Bays so has the easy life ahead of it.   I suspect when Andrew sees it running, however, it isn't going to get much of a break for a while. I too, have enjoyed this thread.  It would seem that self build and boats represent the expert extremes of steam.  Trust me to have inappropriately jumped in at the deep end.     MooseMan kusuchi wrote: I too, have enjoyed this thread.  It would seem that self build and boats represent the expert extremes of steam.  Trust me to have inappropriately jumped in at the deep end.     It'll be flash steam hydroplanes next then!       kusuchi MooseMan wrote: kusuchi wrote: I too, have enjoyed this thread.  It would seem that self build and boats represent the expert extremes of steam.  Trust me to have inappropriately jumped in at the deep end.     It'll be flash steam hydroplanes next then!       Yer What, mate? MooseMan They were popular in the 'thirties I think....they were tethered model racing boats that used tiny boilers with extremely hot steam to drive highly specialised model engines......they reached actual speeds of over 100mph. Some nutters still build them, see: johnreid I have seen videos of those, real impressive. They run the full sized Hydroplanes near here once a year, the races are quite exciting, but too expensive for me to attend anymore. Les Well done, what an achievement, but you do need a bigger pond. What was the problem and how did you sort it out?   H2o vapour Flash steamers!! Very interesting these things!! The boilers as Moose says are very low volume, most I understand are no more than 30 ft of copper,  very fine copper tube,  bent into a cylindrical shape with a hole in the center. Into the centre you put a very fierce plumbers blowlamp. There was a write up in model boats MAGAZINE about 3 years ago. A Scottish chap had a go at a modern version. Brilliant!! These lads are very skilled engineers, there boats are exceptional and they know what they are doing!! By the way come across an old one on your travels and they are a good buy, worth a fair bit!! My preference  is small lakes, large swimming pools and mill ponds!! Go sail that boat!! Many Thanks H20 kusuchi OK, Ok, Where do I get one? kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: Well done, what an achievement, but you do need a bigger pond. What was the problem and how did you sort it out?   Exactly what you said ,Les Align the drive shaft with the prop shaft and stuffing box.   A few other minor refinements, (read the thread), should provide additional enhancements. Thanks for your help, Nick Great to see it running, but I would wait until you have more room. The first hit into the wall was a good one. kusuchi I know it's hard to make out but this is not the launch's first steaming. Nick You've really got it running good now. Nick How did they not crash! What would happen if they did. Les kusuchi wrote: I know it's hard to make out but this is not the launch's first steaming. You have gone over to Youtube. Nick It's not really a video of his. Les ncseverson wrote: It's not really a video of his. Thats a relief. Nick But it is still a good video, of a very fast boat. kusuchi Can we get over to photobucket for Les, Nick. Do you know how? kusuchi ncseverson wrote: But it is still a good video, of a very fast boat. A very fast steam boat. Nick Not sure how, unless you can download it to your computer and upload it to PB, like you do with your videos. kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: ncseverson wrote: It's not really a video of his. Thats a relief. Actually Les, (it is) I just didn't want to tell anyone until you and I discussed the prop/drive shaft alignment patent. Les ncseverson wrote: Not sure how, unless you can download it to your computer and upload it to PB, like you do with your videos. Don't worry about it. Nick ncseverson wrote: How did they not crash! What would happen if they did. Just realized it says tethered.   kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: ncseverson wrote: Not sure how, unless you can download it to your computer and upload it to PB, like you do with your videos. Don't worry about it. Think you have be Hacker status IT to figure a way around You tubes seciurity. Nick I looked, but don't see how I can do it. kusuchi Any way, Les, these are what  the video shows in action I'm trying to get the guy who posted it to e mail me a copy. Flash Steam Boiler Lines at ether end attach to a tether tied to a pole in the middle of the lake.   The hydroplane runs in a circle exactly 100m diameter. They time them over 5 laps.  This one clocked 125 mph Les I have watched these, and are faaaaassssstttt. kusuchi No Video, but Andrew and I took it up to the condo swimming pool after school and ran it for about a hour and a half.  Trial runs, no canopy,etc.  We fired it four times and each time it ran better than the last. The first time it would stop and start a lot.. But by the third firing, it ran consistently, at a realistic scale speed, non stop, for nearly twenty minutes. By the fourth firing it was starting to get a little too sporty,  fun but not really the sedate pace consistent with the character of the vessel. Fortunately I need no advice on how to slow an engine down! steamgranny It's finished, it floats, it steams & it's beautiful       Hearty congratulation on a job well done!!!   johnreid Just great! That has to be so satisfying. Andrew I was the Captain of the Elliot Bay Steam Launch for all the trials.   It went pretty fast at the end. I only bumped it into the side of the pool once.   The piston wasn't going very fast at the time. kusuchi steamgranny wrote: It's finished, it floats, it steams & it's beautiful       Hearty congratulation on a job well done!!!   Thanks, Steam Granny. There will be a final video to conclude this thread.  We have a very dramatic location in mind to make both boat and backdrop look their very best. Unfortunately it's a little breezy, 400' above sea level, so we will have to pick our day. The only other unfinished business is the name.  Andrew doesn't want it named after him, so there is considerable debate on this topic in house at present.  I'll go with the first one the kids come up with that I like. Andrew has suggested 'VI Sunday'.??? johnreid Mixed emotions here, I have really enjoyed this thread and hate to see it come to a conclusion. But, I cant wait for the short video. Admiral Andrew seems to have done an admirable job of piloting too. kusuchi johnreid wrote: Mixed emotions here, I have really enjoyed this thread and hate to see it come to a conclusion. But, I cant wait for the short video. Admiral Andrew seems to have done an admirable job of piloting too. John,  Me too.  Guess I'll just have to start another boat. I'm still working on the concept of concise and succinct video.  Until then, expect another photobucket max out. johnreid A long video would be even better, but I did not want to appear greedy Nick Sounds like Andrew had a good time. IndianaRog Richard, how about naming it "BST"...........Blood, sweat and tears The tears part could be positive...tears of joy that you finished it and it's a good one. kusuchi IndianaRog wrote: Richard, how about naming it "BST"...........Blood, sweat and tears The tears part could be positive...tears of joy that you finished it and it's a good one. Blood, Sweat and Tears.......................Rog, you and I don't belong in this generation.   As  far as Andrew is concerned  Cherry Garcia would be more relevant johnreid Jerry, I mean Cherry Garcia eh? Nick It's an ice cream named after Jerry Garcia. kusuchi johnreid wrote: Jerry, I mean Cherry Garcia eh? Ben & Jerry's, John. The last living legacy of the Grateful Dead, (if you'll excuse the oxymoron). mogogear Good to hear from the Admiral--!!! Great job Andrew inspiring your Dad to share such a great project with you... you will both remember this boat forever!! Hurray for the new Terrors of the sea's! IndianaRog kusuchi wrote: Blood, Sweat and Tears.......................Rog, you and I don't belong in this generation.   As  far as Andrew is concerned  Cherry Garcia would be more relevant How true Richard...I must have peaked along the way...now I find myself watching SpongeBob daily...but I'm a hero to a certain grandson and it doesn't get much sweeter than that.  PLUS, that way I can watch "Bikini Bottom" with the full approval of grandma   kusuchi mogogear wrote: Good to hear from the Admiral--!!! Great job Andrew inspiring your Dad to share such a great project with you... you will both remember this boat forever!! Hurray for the new Terrors of the sea's! Thanks Mo, I'll be sure to share your post with him tomorrow. johnreid Now you will have to do some research, on eof my favorite CDs is the Pizza Tapes, featuring Jerry. I am not a DeadHead, but he did play a wide variety of music. Nick johnreid wrote: Now you will have to do some research, on eof my favorite CDs is the Pizza Tapes, featuring Jerry. I am not a DeadHead, but he did play a wide variety of music. Listening to it now. johnreid Tony Rice is one of my guitar heroes kusuchi IndianaRog wrote: kusuchi wrote: Blood, Sweat and Tears.......................Rog, you and I don't belong in this generation.   As  far as Andrew is concerned  Cherry Garcia would be more relevant How true Richard...I must have peaked along the way...now I find myself watching SpongeBob daily...but I'm a hero to a certain grandson and it doesn't get much sweeter than that.  PLUS, that way I can watch "Bikini Bottom" with the full approval of grandma   Unfortunately  " Bikini Bottom"  hasn't retained the same relevance. But I certainly hear you on the Grandson johnreid Bikini Bottom is located near No Bikinin Atoll And I have only watched Sponge Bob once. IndianaRog That was good John...excellent for a guy who has only watched one episode of SpongeBob... I on the other hand am spotting re-runs already...we only watch TWICE a day now on what seems like the all SpongeBob channel. I am truly regressing, I know each and every character's name now and could pick them out of a lineup Les Congratulations on completing your sea trials successfully, nice to see all that effort was worth it in the end. As for a name, how about thinking of a female name such as your wife's, mothers etc.? johnreid If Andrew doesnt want his name, how about is Sisters name? Most boats have female names anyhow. In fact though Andrews Mothers or Grand Mothers name would be better when I think about it. DO NOT use a high school sweethearts name though Nick johnreid wrote: If Andrew doesnt want his name, how about is Sisters name? Most boats have female names anyhow. In fact though Andrews Mothers or Grand Mothers name would be better when I think about it. DO NOT use a high school sweethearts name though Or you might have to sink it. Les ncseverson wrote: johnreid wrote: If Andrew doesnt want his name, how about is Sisters name? Most boats have female names anyhow. In fact though Andrews Mothers or Grand Mothers name would be better when I think about it. DO NOT use a high school sweethearts name though Or you might have to sink it. Or at least turn it into a submarine. kusuchi Don't think this name will work. Seriously, though this boat belongs to my Father's cousins who use it to give tours of the Isle of Bute, off the west coast of Scotland.   The vessel is 50 years old and at the time of christening the name had a somewhat different meaning. kusuchi johnreid wrote: If Andrew doesnt want his name, how about is Sisters name? Most boats have female names anyhow. In fact though Andrews Mothers or Grand Mothers name would be better when I think about it. DO NOT use a high school sweethearts name though I like his Sister's name...... Aaliyah. There are other similarities too, both were difficult, frustrating, gave us loads of problems...............but came out great in the end! Les SS. AalIyah, Thats sounds perfect. Les Just do not go for TITANIC II.   kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: Just do not go for TITANIC II.   There iis a steam driven Titanic, 35" long, Tucher and Walther, $1,175.95 http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/copy_of_Boats.html Picked up on the new signature in another thread earlier.  Only just noticed the new avatar.  Nice Les kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Just do not go for TITANIC II.   There is a steam driven Titanic, 35" long, Tucher and Walther, $1,175.95 http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/copy_of_Boats.html Picked up on the new signature in another thread earlier.  Only just noticed the new avatar.  Nice Will not be buying one of those then, and thankyou, thought it time for a change. kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Just do not go for TITANIC II.   There is a steam driven Titanic, 35" long, Tucher and Walther, $1,175.95 http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/copy_of_Boats.html Picked up on the new signature in another thread earlier.  Only just noticed the new avatar.  Nice Will not be buying one of those then, and thankyou, thought it time for a change. Does seem a lot for a 'one steam up' venture. OK, so what is the avatar?  Let's see a close up. It's not one of the Wilesco Fairground figures. Les No, it is the Fleischmann Sausage Maker. kusuchi Very nice You have some unusual and exquisite pieces Les Not seeing them attached to engines enough , though. Les kusuchi wrote: Very nice You have some unusual and exquisite pieces Les Not seeing them attached to engines enough , though. Thankyou, I do try to be diverse. I have some Bing, Arnold, Krauss and a few others to photograph yet. They do go on engines, just haven't posted any videos. The Sausage Maker is part of my Fleischmann accessories. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about8540.html johnreid I like the looks of the Flying Machine on that Ministeam page. Too bad it is WAY beyond my means. kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: kusuchi wrote: Very nice You have some unusual and exquisite pieces Les Not seeing them attached to engines enough , though. Thankyou, I do try to be diverse. I have some Bing, Arnold, Krauss and a few others to photograph yet. They do go on engines, just haven't posted any videos. The Sausage Maker is part of my Fleischmann accessories. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about8540.html Gorgeous, Les. I'm off to reset some of my e bay searches Les Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html Mamodman123 Les Marsh wrote: Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html I soooo badly want one of those things   Kidney for sale Les Mamodman123 wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html I soooo badly want one of those things   Kidney for sale Would you steam it though. Les kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Just do not go for TITANIC II.   There is a steam driven Titanic, 35" long, Tucher and Walther, $1,175.95 http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/copy_of_Boats.html Picked up on the new signature in another thread earlier.  Only just noticed the new avatar.  Nice Will not be buying one of those then, and thankyou, thought it time for a change. Does seem a lot for a one steam up venture. OK, so what is the avatar?  Let's see a close up. It's not one of the Wilesco Fairground figures. Just noticed Mocha making an appearance. Mamodman123 Les Marsh wrote: Mamodman123 wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html I soooo badly want one of those things   Kidney for sale Would you steam it though. If it had been before I would probably once or twice, yeah   Les kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: kusuchi wrote: Very nice You have some unusual and exquisite pieces Les Not seeing them attached to engines enough , though. Thankyou, I do try to be diverse. I have some Bing, Arnold, Krauss and a few others to photograph yet. They do go on engines, just haven't posted any videos. The Sausage Maker is part of my Fleischmann accessories. http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about8540.html Gorgeous, Les. I'm off to reset some of my e bay searches Richard, just a little something to wet your appetite.   http://modellbau.listings.ebay.de...acatZ27649QQsocmdZListingItemList kusuchi Les Marsh wrote: Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html I got mine on e bay brand new for approx $ 375.00.  The seller was Ministeam.  It might be worth waiting to see if they list again.  Maybe their experience with me put them off. Les kusuchi wrote: Les Marsh wrote: Check out the Mamod London Bus on their sale page. http://www.ministeam.com/acatalog/Blow_Out_Sale_.html I got mine on e bay brand new for approx $ 375.00.  The seller was Ministeam.  It might be worth waiting to see if they list again.  Maybe their experience with me put them off. Nice tag.        The Unofficial Mamod and Other Steam Forum Forum Index -> Steam Launches and Boats Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next Page 3 of 4