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| Jack |
SE1-2-3 Engine Fixing Frame RivetsHi Guys,I have just restored a SE3 but when I bought the engine the engine frames were attached to the base plate with cheese head brass screws. I think the correct fixings for the engine frames are with the small tubular rivets if that is the case does anyone know where I can purchase these rivets, I know it would mean making up a pair of tools to flare the ends of the rivets to fit them but I think it would be worth it. I will attempt to add a few pictures of what I have done please give me your comments good or bad good constructive criticism I dont mind at all in fact I can learn something from it [url=http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/560662/030.JPG][img] [url=http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/560665/028.JPG][img] [url=http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/560667/022.JPG][img] I have never sent any photo`s before so if I make a hash of it I will have to try again |
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| Jack |
HI guys,
Whatever I did to send the photo`s was not correctso can anyone tell me how to do it properley, Thankyou |
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| Sandman |
Check here. 
http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about2453.html |
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| alkenco |
Re: SE1-2-3 Engine Fixing Frame RivetsHere you go.You just need to ensure that the URL has [img] at the start and [/img] at the end like so; [img] http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/560662/030.JPG [/img] Note there should be no spaces, I've had to put them in so you can see how it looks. I agree a source of those rivets and tools to fit them would be very useful. Nice engine by the way! 
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| regracing |
very nice engine jack | ||
| Roly Williams |
I believe some of them were fixed with nuts and bolts originally.
Most were fixed with eyelets. Pop rivets would be easier but they wouldn't look authentic. |
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| willsy |
that is a lovely engine you have there very nicely restored and someone correct me if im wrong but arent these SE3's with sight glass quite rare
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| Jack |
Hi Guys,
Thankyou very much Alkenco for putting the SE3 pictures on the thread for me, So what is being said then it is possible that the brass screws may well be the correct fixings after all, Now back to the eyelets is there a supplier out there i can purchase some from, just if I require some for a future restoration job |
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| Les |
That is a very nice restoration. Well done. 
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| Dampfmaschine |
Looks very nice indeed - I would favour nuts and bolts over rivets anytime - good deal easier for taking apart / re assembly. | ||
| Mamodman123 |
Yes and no really. They were made for a shorter amount of time but do turn up in the right places! Thats a nice engine, as Roly said the earlier ones were fixed with screws and later eyelets. |
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| Atticman |
I think the later non screwed frames were attached with "tubular rivets" at least I can see that they can be ordered on a google search,
but "eyelets" seem to get a load of shoe repair and clothing sites 
Nice SE3 there
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| Roly Williams |
"eyelets" = "tubular rivets" = "eyelets" |
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| Jack |
Hi Roly
I never knew really what to call the rivets , ie Just rivets, eyelets,tubular rivets mabye when I go on to google if I put all the names hopefully in I should get a fair responce |
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| Dr. Rog |
Super engine Jack.
I am sure that the early engines where bolted, the later (and by far the greater proportion) riveted with the tubular rivets that do not look like pop-rivets. Yours is one of the latest and I think it will have had its rivets removed by the previous owner. I cannot be sure as I don't have a sight glass model. I strongly suggest that you leave the screws in, it will make cleaning and repainting easier in future and they look great. Fit spring or star washers to keep them tight. Once again, great job!
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| johnreid |
I am fairly sure mine is all original, and it has screws. However not Cheese head screws
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| Burnmafingers |
My SE3 and another I have seen both have the screws.
Lovely couple of SE3's in this thread
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| straughany |
Re: SE1-2-3 Engine Fixing Frame Rivets
hmmmmmm cheese... |
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| Wallace |
Yep John is right. His Se3 has the original type screws. Dome top. Some had brass ones, others alloy.
But the engine earlier in the thread would have had tubular rivets originally, as it's later with a sightglass. I can't be sure of the exact date but I have had engines from early 60's with tubular rivets. ie Johns would have had the large rectangle decal on the side. I've had engines with that decal having both screws and rivets so that appears to be the change over time. Keep the nut and bolts though. Much better to have |
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| Dr. Rog |
Thats a lovely old SE3 you have there John, steel rod-ends, flat boiler ends and die-cast cranks and all.
That would be 1957 onwards? |
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| johnreid |
57 to 63 or around there I believe, was told that the nut and bolt construction made it earlier in that date range but I do not know. I would like to think late 50s |
