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kusuchi

Spot the difference?

These two pictures may seem identical, but look closely and see if you can spot the differences.





Thanks Gil,

Andrew's steaming it up as we speak.
kusuchi

Yes you got it.  The top one has the regulator valve closed.
Mamodman123

ooooo I like, I like!

Bet that flywheel allows a smooth running operation thats for sure  
Les

I would have said the photos were taken in different countries.

Very nice looking engine.
IndianaRog

First pic taken in Connecticut, Second pic in the Virgin Islands.

Same engine with a few miles on it!!

Rog
johnreid

You got the one with the UL label, good stuff!
I hope you have run it, mine runs like a piece of precision machinery.
I want to see Andrew operating it.
Les

johnreid wrote:
You got the one with the UL label, good stuff!
I hope you have run it, mine runs like a piece of precision machinery.
I want to see Andrew operating it.


I keep reading UL label. What is the significance of it?
johnreid

I believe that Tom Jensen bought a quantity of UL labels and then did not buy any more, so the labeled ones might be a bit older.
UL stands for Underwriters Laboratories, they take items and inspect them for Safety and then if UL approved a company can pay and place the UL label on their product to promote public confidence in their products. I think he spent enough and as the products met all of the Standards Mr Jensen decided not to spend the extra money, and probably keep the price down a few cents for the Steam Engines.
IT could be a year older than the other, or a day older, not that important. However Gil sold two 25s one labeled and one not so that distinguishes the two from each other.
Les

Thanks for that, it's all a lot clearer now.
kusuchi

Andrew ran it twice tonight and seems to like it a lot.   I was so busy with the launch I did not give it my full attention.   I noticed it running beautifully on a couple of occasions, but once it seemed to be spiting a lot of water from the exhaust.

Too early for me to make an assesment.   As I said earlier too much steam happening tonight.
johnreid

IF there is too much water in the Boiler, or of a full head of steam isnt up yet are the most common reasons for one to spit water. This is generally referred to as Priming.
kusuchi

Will shoot a video by the weekend at the latest..

So how come these engines arrive, I get to pay for them, and Andrew gets to run them?

Maybe Reid was right.
IndianaRog

kusuchi wrote:
Andrew ran it twice tonight and seems to like it a lot.   I was so busy with the launch I did not give it my full attention.   I noticed it running beautifully on a couple of occasions, but once it seemed to be spiting a lot of water from the exhaust.

Too early for me to make an assesment.   As I said earlier too much steam happening tonight.


Richard, I think John is right...too much water in the boiler is probably the cause of excess spitting from the exhaust.  As a rule of thumb fill it no more than 2/3 full using the sight glass as a measure.  When it first begins to run it will always spit a fair bit of water out the exhaust...the first steam that condensed quickly in the cooler pipework, steamchest and cylinder...this blows out in 5-10 seconds and then it should settle down nicely.  

Try to avoid being in the line of fire of that exhaust...it will spoil a shirt with oil spots and/or being a directed jet, it CAN be very hot. Safer to run a bit of silicone tubing from exhaust down into a bucket keeping everything a whole lot drier.

Sounds like a whole lot of steaming going on in the VI!!!

Rog
kusuchi

IndianaRog wrote:
kusuchi wrote:
Andrew ran it twice tonight and seems to like it a lot.   I was so busy with the launch I did not give it my full attention.   I noticed it running beautifully on a couple of occasions, but once it seemed to be spiting a lot of water from the exhaust.

Too early for me to make an assesment.   As I said earlier too much steam happening tonight.


Richard, I think John is right...too much water in the boiler is probably the cause of excess spitting from the exhaust.  As a rule of thumb fill it no more than 2/3 full using the sight glass as a measure.  When it first begins to run it will always spit a fair bit of water out the exhaust...the first steam that condensed quickly in the cooler pipework, steamchest and cylinder...this blows out in 5-10 seconds and then it should settle down nicely.  


Try to avoid being in the line of fire of that exhaust...it will spoil a shirt with oil spots and/or being a directed jet, it CAN be very hot. Safer to run a bit of silicone tubing from exhaust down into a bucket keeping everything a whole lot drier.

Sounds like a whole lot of steaming going on in the VI!!!

Rog


You bet Rog, I'm a little bit overwhelmed at the moment.  My abilities can't see to keep up with Andrew's interest!  
redryder

Too much water being forced through the engine from an overfilled boiler can cause the cylinder head to be blown out of it and in many cases on these older ones the head stays and the side of the cylinder cracks open as water can not and will no compress.
I have tried compressing water and it doesn't work and something else always gives.

Gil
redryder

Glad the engine arrived safely Richard.

Enjoy !   You too Andrew!

Gil
Nick

I spotted the regulator difference, and just before I checked for the answer, I remembered you were going to take a picture that matched Gil's. Great Job!
Les

ncseverson wrote:
I spotted the regulator difference, and just before I checked for the answer, I remembered you were going to take a picture that matched Gil's. Great Job!


Good job I remembered.
redryder

Before I noticed the regulator I spotted a nice tree below that would not still be green in the winter if it were in my yard.

Gil
Nick

He's even got the flywheel at the right point!
redryder

Les Marsh wrote:
I would have said the photos were taken in different countries.

Very nice looking engine.


Not quite 2 countries but surely different climates.
St Thomas is US Virgin Islands and I believe the others are British.

Gil
Les

redryder wrote:
Les Marsh wrote:
I would have said the photos were taken in different countries.

Very nice looking engine.


Not quite 2 countries but surely different climates.
St Thomas is US Virgin Islands and I believe the others are British.

Gil


Maybe I should have said the US mainland and a US subsidiary.  
kusuchi

Les Marsh wrote:
redryder wrote:
Les Marsh wrote:
I would have said the photos were taken in different countries.

Very nice looking engine.


Not quite 2 countries but surely different climates.
St Thomas is US Virgin Islands and I believe the others are British.

Gil


Maybe I should have said the US mainland and a US subsidiary.  


Actually we're technically an 'unincorporated territory', but since nobody knows what that is, we just say we're US.
Nick

Is the regulator lever the only thing you missed when taking your picture?
kusuchi

ncseverson wrote:
Is the regulator lever the only thing you missed when taking your picture?


Intentionally, yes.

But I was a bit upset to see Gil's picture has the sun shining and mine does not.     It was late in the day.    At least, that's my excuse.

Video tonight I think.
Nick

I am hoping for that video!
Mister Occlusion

If you have something to run from it, try it out.  They make a great sound when lugging a load at lower speeds.
Kritika

Hey Richard that’s a nice engine mate  

I knew you would succumb to a stationary eventually and what a perfect choice.
kusuchi

Mister Occlusion wrote:
If you have something to run from it, try it out.  They make a great sound when lugging a load at lower speeds.



Running footage on video thread now.

Mark,

Have nothing to run from it at the moment until the accessories for 'the fairground' project arrive next week.      
IndianaRog

Richard, in lieu of actual accessories to run off your Jensen 25, you can run virtually any other engine in your collection (as if it were an accessory), by lashing it to the 25 via drive bands...pulley to pulley, open the slave engine's whistle to avoid back pressure and let 'em rip.

Not sure anyone has done a video of THAT...so here's your chance!
kusuchi

IndianaRog wrote:
Richard, in lieu of actual accessories to run off your Jensen 25, you can run virtually any other engine in your collection (as if it were an accessory), by lashing it to the 25 via drive bands...pulley to pulley, open the slave engine's whistle to avoid back pressure and let 'em rip.

Not sure anyone has done a video of THAT...so here's your chance!


Do you think it would blow all the light bulbs on the Showman's engine?
IndianaRog

Not sure Richard...but easy enough to throttle down the speed using the whistle or regulator on the Showmans to create backpressure/drag.

Of course you can throttle down the Jensen 25 somewhat for short duration with the inline steam valve.

A better solution you might consider is a simple dimmer switch in a box connected to an outlet...then you can dial down your Jensen or any other electric engine to run any speed you like:

http://www.indianarog.com/restorerstoolbox.htm#86383001

Simple to build in an evening...especially for an accomplished boat builder like yourself...NO RTV required!!!  

cheers,
Rog
kusuchi

IndianaRog wrote:
Not sure Richard...but easy enough to throttle down the speed using the whistle or regulator on the Showmans to create backpressure/drag.

Of course you can throttle down the Jensen 25 somewhat for short duration with the inline steam valve.

A better solution you might consider is a simple dimmer switch in a box connected to an outlet...then you can dial down your Jensen or any other electric engine to run any speed you like:

http://www.indianarog.com/restorerstoolbox.htm#86383001

Simple to build in an evening...especially for an accomplished boat builder like yourself...NO RTV required!!!  :lol

Cheers,
Rog




Thanks Rog,

Funnily enough, I'd already considered a similar set up.  I don't know whether it was your suggestion or not but the electric variable speed control really appealed to me for the 'fairground' set up.  Thanks for the link.  Well within my capabilities. Unlike,( what are they called?), oh yeah, boats!


And hence the choice of the Jensen 25.  We really liked Wilescoman's fairground video but it looked like the Ferris wheel had orbiital launch capacity.    The potential for variable speed control really attracted us.

Looking ahead on your website to item #8, although we are both now getting on in years,  it is currently the 'Queen's' english, and has been for some time now.

Regards,
IndianaRog

Richard, I think you will be very happy with a dimmer control for your electric engine(s) (of course there will be more than one)!!

For your fairground rides, you "could" throttle things down with varying pulleys on one or more line shafts, but the electric "throttle" will get things in the ball park speed wise.  I have to laugh, I have visited www.ministeam.com and seen their rather pricey Fairground setup...it is quite amusing to see the centrifugal rides swinging for all they are worth...I would be afraid of getting impaled sitting next to such a thing operated so fast!!!

As for the Fume hood...it is good, trust me...peace and harmony become the norm and it actually feels better on the body not to be breathing all that stuff...probably added 10 years to my lifespan!

Have fun, sounds like you and Andrew are up to your ears in steam for land and sea!!

cheers,
Rog
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