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Marshalls and Fowlers wooden casting patterns
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johnreid


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, I seriously doubt that they would want them all, however, give serious thought as to what you are to do with them as if not stored properly they will disintegrate from dry rot. Under a shed might not be good for long term storage.
If they were mine, this is what I would do:


First they do need to be sorted, there are many but I bet it could be done in less than a days time, then I would choose the very best examples and divide those into four stacks, One for James to keep for his own, one for the museum, one to sell to special forum members and one to send to my good friend in Indiana

Next, I would take those that are still nice and offer them for sale to those who want a memento of their British heritage ( I see all kinds of "historic" things sold every day so dont give me that it should be free because it is our heritage ) and if you so see it in your heart, give a few to your special friends who have helped you in the past ( Sandy MM Tony and the other Mods as they do care a lot about you and are really good friends )

Then you are left with the odds and ends, pack them up and take them to the boot sale, sell them cheap enough that you can make a few pounds but not for so much that you need to haul them back and forth.

I dont think it does anyone good if they rot under the shed.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL!

I might just do that, but I'm a very busy lad and need somewhere for storage permanantly  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James in your first post on this topic you showed a pic of a piece numbered 88875 that I am interested in purchasing do you think you could email me with the details if you still have it
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good on ya for saving them who would have thought a kid on a muck spreader would be the person to save such an important part of our heritage    and shame on all the so called heritage societies and museums who didnt even try
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well like it or not I've sold quite a few now  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pauly wrote:
good on ya for saving them who would have thought a kid on a muck spreader would be the person to save such an important part of our heritage    and shame on all the so called heritage societies and museums who didnt even try


In response to the quote. I am on the committee of the local history society in Gainsborough and I resent the comment made. The companies who have been involved with the work at Marshalls have, for the past 5 years since working, have been somewhat secretive and have involved the public very little. Until seeing what James had collected, I was totally unaware that the Marshall patterns were still around. It was local belief that when they were removed from the factory, they were destroyed along with many other items that could have gone into a collection.

Although not being militant, I would strongly advise that people do not make such comments without prior knowledge of the efforts of local people in trying to gain access to such items. I know for sure that the society I work with have tried very hard and have fought strongly to save many items from the Marshall factory and have not succeeded through the sheer ignorance of the regeneration companied.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, I bet James would be more than cooperative with you. I do not think it is his fault that such has happened. I honestly believe that he wishes for some of the heritage to be preserved just as much as you do. I also believe that you would agree that the whole lot isnt required either.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well lad, what I've got I've got because dad's mate knocked down the factory!

If you want a few for the museum once it's up and running let me know!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jim-gainsborosteam wrote:
pauly wrote:
good on ya for saving them who would have thought a kid on a muck spreader would be the person to save such an important part of our heritage    and shame on all the so called heritage societies and museums who didnt even try


In response to the quote. I am on the committee of the local history society in Gainsborough and I resent the comment made. The companies who have been involved with the work at Marshalls have, for the past 5 years since working, have been somewhat secretive and have involved the public very little. Until seeing what James had collected, I was totally unaware that the Marshall patterns were still around. It was local belief that when they were removed from the factory, they were destroyed along with many other items that could have gone into a collection.

Although not being militant, I would strongly advise that people do not make such comments without prior knowledge of the efforts of local people in trying to gain access to such items. I know for sure that the society I work with have tried very hard and have fought strongly to save many items from the Marshall factory and have not succeeded through the sheer ignorance of the regeneration companied.


so isn't it good that they haven't been destroyed?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

Can I just say that it's thanks to you that these foundry patterns have been saved. It is indeed a sensitive issue and it's a sorry situation to see some of the long term members on here departing, feeling so strongly about it too.

I hope that you can come to some sort of arrangement with the Gainsborough History Society, and maybe some kind of agreement that benefits the both of you? With the patterns being safely housed and cataloged and due credit to yourself for their preservation. Perhaps a long term loan?

So much of our heritage has been destroyed when factories closed and documentation, drawings and artifacts were just binned.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is interesting...

Dad just rang, said he's spoken to his mate who knocked down and cleared out Marshalls. He mentioned giving some to the heritage group,  and he told dad that they've been offered to them before, and they couldn't be bothered to fetch them! Also he's offered a load to the society including some big British Steel doors that were presented to Marshalls, which they haven't fetched. I'm going to talk with him to see if I can take them out his way instead now as he's getting fed up!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

I hope you can get this sorted, try not to fallout with any of the members on here about it though, afterall you are all trying to do the best and preserve those items. I'm dissapointed some of the long term members of these forums felt they had to leave over it though.

It is a bit much to expect you just to donate them to some society though, you have taken time and effort into protecting those items and we don't do everything for free in this life.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James wrote:
This is interesting...

Dad just rang, said he's spoken to his mate who knocked down and cleared out Marshalls. He mentioned giving some to the heritage group,  and he told dad that they've been offered to them before, and they couldn't be bothered to fetch them! Also he's offered a load to the society including some big British Steel doors that were presented to Marshalls, which they haven't fetched. I'm going to talk with him to see if I can take them out his way instead now as he's getting fed up!


IF they can't be bothered to go and fetch them, no one has the right to start flouncing because you are selling one or two here and there  

By the sounds of it they best get them quick or they'll be off down the scrap yard  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly lad! It's a business, they don't hold stuff if there's no need...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow, I never really bothered looking at this thread as I was concerned I'd end up buying a cylinder block pattern.  

But wow.  What a lot of controversy a bit of useless old wood sparks.  As far as I'm concerned, James did the right thing and if selling them gets them about to people who will look after them, as well as some going to museums, I'd say mission accomplished.


I'm entirely with you on this one James.
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