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tmuir


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamodman123 wrote:
A litre of petrol is roughly 89p

A bottle of meths from Wilkinsons is £1.17 for 500ml


Thats ony due to the way its marketed and sold in little plastic bottles.
In Australia ethonol is added to petrol to make it cheaper, up to 10% of volume of petrol is ethonol.
Think about it to make alcohol you grow some sugar, mix sugar with water and add yeast. Distil it and you have high quality fuel unlike petrol which you have to find underground, build a giant oil rig, drill down to it, extract it, and then process it before you get petrol.
Alcohol has got to be cheaper to make.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmuir wrote:
Mamodman123 wrote:
A litre of petrol is roughly 89p

A bottle of meths from Wilkinsons is £1.17 for 500ml


Thats ony due to the way its marketed and sold in little plastic bottles.
In Australia ethonol is added to petrol to make it cheaper, up to 10% of volume of petrol is ethonol.
Think about it to make alcohol you grow some sugar, mix sugar with water and add yeast. Distil it and you have high quality fuel unlike petrol which you have to find underground, build a giant oil rig, drill down to it, extract it, and then process it before you get petrol.
Alcohol has got to be cheaper to make.


Yes it might be cheaper to make Tmuir!

but I'm not exactly going to make my own meths and that's the only real option....
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes it might be cheaper to make Tmuir!

but I'm not exactly going to make my own meths and that's the only real option....


I don't mean for us to make it.
I mean in the long run it would make more sense to have cars run on ethonol than on petrol as it would be cheaper to produce than petrol and its sustainable unlike oil based products.

MM blows himself up with his homemade still made from old mamod boilers and 1/8th inch copper piepe.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tmuir wrote:
Mamodman123 wrote:


Yes it might be cheaper to make Tmuir!

but I'm not exactly going to make my own meths and that's the only real option....


I don't mean for us to make it.
I mean in the long run it would make more sense to have cars run on ethonol than on petrol as it would be cheaper to produce than petrol and its sustainable unlike oil based products.

MM blows himself up with his homemade still made from old mamod boilers and 1/8th inch copper piepe.


LOL I don't think it will go down with my fiesta too well Tony The one reason they don't is because they feel they can tax us more on petrol rather than sugar and yeast
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

full size stanley steam cars have a flash steam coil bolier that is fired with i think parafin and dont take long to fire up atol
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh i was going to say that SJ, traction engines take around 3 hrs to build up enough steam (150 psi running pressure)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

me and a mate from school spent about 3 hours firing up a marshall traction engine from cold on our own wich was quite fun even though it took 3 hours
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a Marshall 10 ton Roller going in 2 hours (my first day on a road going engine!) But it had been lit up the weekend before, maybe the water was still warm...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe, they have good lagging.

is that the one which blew a tube?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no no, the one that blew a tube was a 5-6 ton Aveling and Barford (for some stupid reason it has a dog clutch to engage drive!!) That was the first engine I drove at Amberley, plus it has a nice seat so you can sit down whilst steering. Although it seems more difficult to steer sitting down than standing...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye it is

i dont like sitting down while steering either
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love sitting down whilst driving, still I can stand up in my car . . . .
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scruffyroller did an apprenticeship (I think) at Amberley, and he says that Gisella (the name of the A & B) had those tubes for either 15 months or years (cannot remember). Either way the lasted a while anyway. The traction engines sadly dont get used much at Amberley
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugger

i am going to have a good year next year. going to nearly every rally. there is the foster, the garrett, and a new engine which i cant say a word about
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What type of Garrett James?
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