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Nick
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| Nick wrote: | Engine was shipped this morning, so hopefully it arrives by Saturday. I don't know if I can wait until Monday!  |
For some reason this engine was held up at one of its stops for 5 days! 
But I just checked the tracking:
| Quote: | | ROCHESTER, MN, US 10/22/2009 7:50 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY |
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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It arrived today, and I think I'm going to have to send the seller an email about his packing job and how to list items on ebay.
I am still very happy with the engine, and won't be sending it back, but it does have some problems.
I paid $30 for shipping and asked for it to be insured, so I thought it would be packaged well. I also received an email that had me worried!
| Quote: | | I put the insurance on it, but again it's not perfect. I work for UPS so it will boxed up good. |
When it arrived, I was not expecting the box to be smashed. I could also here something rattling inside.
I opened the first box and inside was another box. The only packaging (if you can call it that) was a plastic bag laying loose:
I opened the next box to find the engine loose on top of a bag, again no packaging! And this guy works for UPS? 
But it does still look nice. 
From the ebay picture, I figured the sight glass would be missing, the firebox door missing, and didn't even think of the drain cock:
But luckily the fittings are there (minus the glass) and the other parts are there:
And I did not expect this large dent! 
Especially when the seller stated:
| Quote: | | I will take care in packaging this item. Before I do ship however you are aware this engine does already have some minor dings and scrathes. I don't want to ship it off to you if you are expecting it to be in perfect shape. |
Doesn't look like a minor ding to me, it's a dent! 
And read the part before it "I will take care in packaging this item" 
The base paint is a little rough in spots, but I will carefully clean it.
And this crap is around the stack and lower sight glass fitting, so it must leak:
Anyway, enough whining from me, I'm off to make some repairs and do some cleaning on this thing.
I will email seller in the morning once I figure out what other problems it has and see if I can get any kind of refund for that "minor ding".  |
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SlideValve
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Nice engine, but that's exactly what happened to my Empire B-30. arrived in a very smashed box, and had large dents in the boiler and in the chimney it was perfect, (body wise) in the picture too. Sometimes ebay sellers don't know how to pack fragile items whatsoever. |
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| SlideValve wrote: | | Nice engine, but that's exactly what happened to my Empire B-30. arrived in a very smashed box, and had large dents in the boiler and in the chimney it was perfect, (body wise) in the picture too. Sometimes ebay sellers don't know how to pack fragile items whatsoever. |
The dent was already in the boiler, the seller just did not show it in the ebay pics.
The dent is going to be difficult to fix as there is a center flue in the chimney with several small pipes running through. I'll have to take a closer look before disassembly. |
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Can a mod move this thread to the restorations section? I'm in deep now!
On a Mamod you just take the endcap off and the dent is easy to repair. On this there really wasn't an endcap, so I took out the torch and pulled the boiler's guts out! 
Not sure if I'm brave or stupid!
Now it will be very easy to repair the dent and the dings, but I've got a lot more work ahead of me. Pics in a few minutes... |
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: |
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The good news is I finally found out what was rattling in the boiler, some old solder and a match stick:
Now for the rest of the pics...
IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH,
PLEASE LEAVE THIS THREAD! 
I warned you!
I've never seen what these boilers look like inside and I'm sure not too many of them have been taken apart. It really is a neat design:
The "burner view", looks a little sooty:
And now I can get at the big dent and all those little dings (note the sight glass on the left, drain cock at the bottom, and the holes for the fittings at the top):
And I also found out what that putty was sealing:
Same with the sight glass, the bottom ones screw was broke so they slapped some putty over it. Luckily the break is rough so when I put it back together I should be able to seal it with a little dab of solder:
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Wallace
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Wow Nick, no going in under half throttle, it's back to factory parts
I'm sure you'll do wonders with it though.
Nice engine
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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There is no half hearted measures with you is there!!! It certainly looks as if it is going to be fun to put back together. Good luck.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: |
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That's great Nick, I'm sure you're doing the right thing. It would never have been "right" if you hadn't taken extreme measures! I'm watching with great interest.  |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Nick, you are a brave guy...but I understand completely why you took it back to parts. I'm sure it will end up better for it and be a fine runner and looker when you get done with "surgery".
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Heavens above that's a brave undertaking. i look forward to seeing the end result
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Wow, you have some cajones to take that thing apart! But I agree with the rest - that's the only way to do a proper job on it, and I'm sure it will be a jewel when you're done. Good job so far, and good luck with the rest of it.
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I had a few minutes to start on what is going to be a long process...
I decided to take it apart even further so I can remove all traces of the old solder.
I had to straighten the endcap back out:
And started cleaning some of the crud of so I could find the solder:
Hey look, there was brass underneath there:
The previous owner had applied way too much solder:
This is where I am so far, with the solder removed. I polished it so any dents would be easier to spot. I need to make a cut-out with a hole-saw that I can set the endcap over to finish straightening it and I will then use wet/dry and very fine steel wool to remove all those little scratches the sandpaper left. (I also do not like how rough they left the center hole):
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Nick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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If you look at the last picture, you can see how rough the center hole is and it will not get a good seal if it is left that way.
What I plan to do is make the hole round again and I should be able to insert the flue and flare it just a little bit to get a tight fit.
Any thoughts? Any other ideas? 
Or, would I be better off just making a new cap with the right size hole?
EDIT: Looking at it again, I have decided to just make a new endcap. By the time I get the hole round, it will be quite a bit larger.
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