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Mamodman123


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am not gonna argue with that one MM. There's more than one approach to the problem though . . .


Such as?

Make an exact replica?
Buy another bowman and take the burner?
Stand on your head for 3 hours while singing the okey cokey?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamodman123 wrote:
SPOKESMAN wrote:
I am not gonna argue with that one MM. There's more than one approach to the problem though . . .


Such as?

Make an exact replica?
Buy another bowman and take the burner?
Stand on your head for 3 hours while singing the okey cokey?


something between the 2!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPOKESMAN wrote:
Mamodman123 wrote:
SPOKESMAN wrote:
I am not gonna argue with that one MM. There's more than one approach to the problem though . . .


Such as?

Make an exact replica?
Buy another bowman and take the burner?
Stand on your head for 3 hours while singing the okey cokey?


something between the 2!


It's an endless cycle! you take one burner from one, you need another from somewhere else...........
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamodman123 wrote:
SPOKESMAN wrote:
Mamodman123 wrote:
SPOKESMAN wrote:
I am not gonna argue with that one MM. There's more than one approach to the problem though . . .


Such as?

Make an exact replica?
Buy another bowman and take the burner?
Stand on your head for 3 hours while singing the okey cokey?


something between the 2!


It's an endless cycle! you take one burner from one, you need another from somewhere else...........


Quite!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finding the right Bowman/Burner is also the hard part......

I vote for the Okey Cokey option myself!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamodman123 wrote:
Finding the right Bowman/Burner is also the hard part......

I vote for the Okey Cokey option myself!


In - out !
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPOKESMAN wrote:
Mamodman123 wrote:
Finding the right Bowman/Burner is also the hard part......

I vote for the Okey Cokey option myself!


In - out !


Indeed!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, that is a great resto. Well done. Looks like new, but not overdone.

Congrats to you.

Nice burner too. I didn't take on the job of making a MM1 wick burner, thought it'd be too tricky, but that one came up real nice.

Again mate, congratulations, and a job well done
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Wallace!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The preserve/restore debate will run and run... its been well addressed on the forum before, and no doubt will be again. In this case, in my opinion, I took the best course. This engine came back from the brink so to speak, and needed new pipework and port face just to make it run. Is that justified? It hadn't got a burner and in the unlikely event of my being able to get a real Bowman burner then I'll use it, but in the meantime I made one. Is that justified? The paint on the engine frame and most of the firebox was gone and they had to be painted to prevent rust. Was that justified? The base paintwork was 50% gone and there was no sign of the original decal. Not to paint it when the engine frame and firebox had been painted would have looked awful. Was that justified? I'm sure that different people will answer those questions differently... and thats fair enough, its personal choice. So, OK, its mostly Bowman but not entirely. It is what it is. I would contend that its in a far better state than it was when I got it, and it now has every chance of surviving another 75 years!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve_S wrote:
The preserve/restore debate will run and run... its been well addressed on the forum before, and no doubt will be again. In this case, in my opinion, I took the best course. This engine came back from the brink so to speak, and needed new pipework and port face just to make it run. Is that justified? It hadn't got a burner and in the unlikely event of my being able to get a real Bowman burner then I'll use it, but in the meantime I made one. Is that justified? The paint on the engine frame and most of the firebox was gone and they had to be painted to prevent rust. Was that justified? The base paintwork was 50% gone and there was no sign of the original decal. Not to paint it when the engine frame and firebox had been painted would have looked awful. Was that justified? I'm sure that different people will answer those questions differently... and thats fair enough, its personal choice. So, OK, its mostly Bowman but not entirely. It is what it is. I would contend that its in a far better state than it was when I got it, and it now has every chance of surviving another 75 years!



The whole thing was justified in my eyes Steve! and you made a fantastic job of it
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on job. Big lesson for us all there, I just enter "steam engine" when I go on ebay. I'll start looking at meccano and general junk.

Brilliant work, well done.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

same here really anything steam
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, as long as YOU like it, who gives a rats about what's justified and what's not anyway? Bowman or not, it's a great engine. To me, well, it walks like a Bowman, talks like a Bowman, might therefore just be a Bowman. Don't know what my opinion counts for of course, but there are a number of people out there (including members of the Bowman-Jenkins family) who think I know what I'm talking about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Odilon... I've always suspected that you might know what you're talking about!
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