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CCairns
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I have a suggestion as an alternative to using rivets to fit the sight glass mounting again.
This involves soldering in 2 x 6BA screws into the rivet holes to allow you to remove the sight glass mount easier when you need to replace the plastic glass again.
Sorry no photos but here is what I've done with the loco boilers which were riveted.
Take a cheesehead 6BA brass screw, lightly tin the threads near the top of the screw, put a piece of thread through the rivet hole and pull it back through the sight glass hole. Tie this to the end threads of the screw (opposite end to the head where you have tinned). Place screw into sight glass hole and use thread to pull it up into the rivet hole. Holding the threaded end of the screw solder around the rivet hole to hold this screw in place. Repeat on other side. Fit sight glass washer, plastic and mount using 6BA nuts.
It looks OK on the loco because these nuts are hidden in the cab, but of course would be more prominent on the end of the SP5 boiler.
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I just got a mail back from forrest classics, they can provide a new whistle, water level glass and chrome firebox sides, although those sides are from the new SP5 (they say they will fit)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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You need a medal!!
Seriously, I have been going through stuff to take to STIA, I have a pritsine , never run & boxed sp5.
I looked at it today and noted that there were rust spots on it - it's been in it's box in a sealed plastic container in the loft, which is dry and warm. (BOWMAN 135 IS IN GARAGE 2 YEARS - NO RUST - 70 years old)
I think the metal used is the sponge
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| How much are chrome sides? |
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| CCairns wrote: | I have a suggestion as an alternative to using rivets to fit the sight glass mounting again.
This involves soldering in 2 x 6BA screws into the rivet holes to allow you to remove the sight glass mount easier when you need to replace the plastic glass again.
Sorry no photos but here is what I've done with the loco boilers which were riveted.
Take a cheesehead 6BA brass screw, lightly tin the threads near the top of the screw, put a piece of thread through the rivet hole and pull it back through the sight glass hole. Tie this to the end threads of the screw (opposite end to the head where you have tinned). Place screw into sight glass hole and use thread to pull it up into the rivet hole. Holding the threaded end of the screw solder around the rivet hole to hold this screw in place. Repeat on other side. Fit sight glass washer, plastic and mount using 6BA nuts.
It looks OK on the loco because these nuts are hidden in the cab, but of course would be more prominent on the end of the SP5 boiler. |
Thanks, sound interessting, but since I already have the tools to use pop rivets, I think I will try that first.
| ncseverson wrote: | | How much are chrome sides? |
these are some prices I gathered:
chrome firebox sides....... £9.50
chimney........................£7.50
whistle..........................£6.50
sight glass + frame for it..£3.50
reverse lever..................£3.50 (don't yet know if that's the right one)
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| I'm surprised the chrome sides are that cheap. It seems quite reasonable. |
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Wallace
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I'm not sure if they are chrome or not. If they are the reflection of chrome, then they are chrome, as polishing to get that finish costs more than chrome 
Usually if chrome is poor quality (or the prep is poor) the chrome will fake and blister.
Good chroming will eventually show rust.
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| Wallace wrote: | I'm not sure if they are chrome or not. If they are the reflection of chrome, then they are chrome, as polishing to get that finish costs more than chrome
Usually if chrome is poor quality (or the prep is poor) the chrome will fake and blister.
Good chroming will eventually show rust. |
My MGB bumpers, and all the rest of the chrome on it rusted like that, I would think the chrome on SPs is not of the best quality, sadly most manufacturers just bother enough to sell, and dont care what happens later.
Can understand it though, really the consumer is partly to blame, as they will tend to get the cheapest possible often without realising that you get what you pay for  . |
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I believe that the quality of the metal underneath the chrome has a lot to do with it also.
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| Wallace wrote: | I'm not sure if they are chrome or not. If they are the reflection of chrome, then they are chrome, as polishing to get that finish costs more than chrome
Usually if chrome is poor quality (or the prep is poor) the chrome will fake and blister.
Good chroming will eventually show rust. |
I think its the heat that strips off the chrome then that exposes bare metal which rusts, and once it starts it will travel!
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Ooooh...........Erik, that SP5 is a real mess But I think you like them that way  Flattened fireboxes, rusty hulks, Erik will sort it  I'm sure you will & looking forward to end result - Happy restoration |
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| Atticman wrote: | | Wallace wrote: | I'm not sure if they are chrome or not. If they are the reflection of chrome, then they are chrome, as polishing to get that finish costs more than chrome
Usually if chrome is poor quality (or the prep is poor) the chrome will fake and blister.
Good chroming will eventually show rust. |
My MGB bumpers, and all the rest of the chrome on it rusted like that, I would think the chrome on SPs is not of the best quality, sadly most manufacturers just bother enough to sell, and dont care what happens later.
Can understand it though, really the consumer is partly to blame, as they will tend to get the cheapest possible often without realising that you get what you pay for . |
Yeah that's where I learnt about the quality of chrome, on cars when restoring them.
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