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Kritika
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Roly - Minor
Do you know the name of that Plasticote "metal protect" Red as they have a few reds I think. 
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Minor1PJG
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I think Plasti-kote only have one Red in the Enamel range - Bright Red.
It is a good match to the early Mamod bases from the 1950's but is probably a little brighter than the bases of the SP range.
http://www.plasti-kote.co.uk/Product/pcode---4585/Go_product---GO
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Roly Williams
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Don't know the name I'm afraid. I finished the can and disposed of it some time ago. The one I'm thinking of is in the "Metal Protekt" range, not "Enamel". I don't know if the different ranges have different colours. The red is slightly darker than Mamod "Signal Red" but not much. It could still be called "Bright Red". The best thing to do is take a sample with you to the shop.
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Kritika
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OK now I’m confused.
I’ve had some excellent advise from Moos, Sandy, Roly and lots of tother forum members. But as usual I now have too much of a choice…..
To paint the Firebox I would like to go for a black gloss finish but that does not seem to be available in VHT paint. However you can get this Engin Enamel paint – do you think it would do the job if I cured it in the oven.
http://www.motortraders.com/xcart...7_Hycote_Engine_Enamel_Black.html
Or do you think this VHT is a better way to go, although It will take a lot more curing and have a dull matt finish I think. 
http://www.motortraders.com/xcart...ERATURE_PAINT__Aerosol_400ml.html
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johnreid
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Was it originally painted with High Temp Paint?
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I would advise using care when trying to cure paint in an oven.
Recommendation:
Paint something you don't much care about first and try to cure it in the oven. Test it after and let it sit around for a while in different conditions after you are done baking it, maybe up to several weeks.
Reasoning:
Paint that is not meant to be oven cured will often get heated too much too quickly on the outer film surface thus sealing it and not allowing for gases from the below surface part of the paint to seep out during the curing phase. If this happens you can get lifting and bubbling as soon as right away or it may take time to show. Engine paint may be this kind and it fairs much better if heated from the inside much the way it would on a freshly painted engine.
Perhaps someone else can share successes.
Best of luck with it.
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Steve,
I'm sold on VHT Brand of spray paint meant for engine headers but perfect for steam engine fireboxes...rated to up to 1100 deg. C.
Not cheap at $7-8 USD per can, but very good results after repeated firings. It is what I used on the firebox of my Old Smoky conversion. I used their flat black, but it is also available in red and can be made more shiny with a satin clear coat they also make.
My can gives very clear instructions for curing parts in an oven off the vehicle:
120 deg. C for 30 min. let cool for 30 min
200 deg. C for 30 min. let cool for 30 min
315 deg. C for 30 min. let cool for 30 min (this equates to 600 deg. F and since our kitchen oven topped out at 550 deg. F...I let it sit in that max temp for 60 min.)
A great, hard finish resulted.
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Rog,
Do they (VHT) make a shiny or satin black?
Gil
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Tried to check VHT's website, but found it virtually shut down due to upgrading.
According to my VHT can...they make only ONE black, #102 which is labeled "flat black". That is what I used and it is indeed flat black.
Their "Satin Clear Coat" is #SP-115 (I have not used this clear coat, just taking info off the can).
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I believe I may have used the clear coat about 10-12 years ago. I had gotten hold of a correctly dated pair of stock big block Corvette exhast manifolds. After wire wheel treatment and all the rist was gone from the castings I coated them with the clearcoat and I remember baking them for in the oven. I never did put them on the car but they stayed nice looking in natural cast iron. It was likely VHT.
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Here is a color chart
http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/vht_high.htm
The Engine enamel is offered in Gloss Black but I do not know how well it would hold up in this type of service. I think it is rated to 500° F whereas the High temp is rated for 1200°F
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I'm glad you posted that John.
I have been wanting to visit their website for a small plating kit and some buffing wheels.
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| redryder wrote: | Rog,
Do they (VHT) make a shiny or satin black?
Gil |
The VHT paint I have is not quite a high gloss but it's not matt either - it's somewhere in between. It's called "gloss" but it's more like the finish on modern Mamods. At least, it's about the same as the smoke box on my 1989 SL6, which is the newest Mamod I have.
Beware, there are several different VHT ranges. The one I have is marked "brake caliper, drum & rotor - 900F / 490C temperature - SP-734 Gloss Black". Thre may well be higher temperature types which are truely matt.
The can I have doesn't give instructions for oven baking but I think it's safer to bring the temperature up slowly, in a controlled manner in an oven, rather than expose it to flame in an uncured state. The process described by Rog sounds good. I take a somewhat more layed back approach and leave it at 100C (212F) for a couple of days. This is what I do with ordinary paint and a higher temperature would be suitable for VHT paint. It's just that I have a convenient hot plate that runs at 100C.
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Kritika
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | redryder wrote: | Rog,
Do they (VHT) make a shiny or satin black?
Gil |
The VHT paint I have is not quite a high gloss but it's not matt either - it's somewhere in between. It's called "gloss" but it's more like the finish on modern Mamods. At least, it's about the same as the smoke box on my 1989 SL6, which is the newest Mamod I have.
Beware, there are several different VHT ranges. The one I have is marked "brake caliper, drum & rotor - 900F / 490C temperature - SP-734 Gloss Black". Thre may well be higher temperature types which are truely matt.
The can I have doesn't give instructions for oven baking but I think it's safer to bring the temperature up slowly, in a controlled manner in an oven, rather than expose it to flame in an uncured state. The process described by Rog sounds good. I take a somewhat more layed back approach and leave it at 100C (212F) for a couple of days. This is what I do with ordinary paint and a higher temperature would be suitable for VHT paint. It's just that I have a convenient hot plate that runs at 100C. |
Thanks guys Im geting there. Roly I think thats the one I am looking for in the UK, your "brake caliper, drum & rotor - 900F / 490C temperature - SP-734 Gloss Black".
Can you tell me what make is it on the tin, and the big question where did you buy it? 
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Roly Williams
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| Kritika wrote: | | Roly Williams wrote: | | redryder wrote: | Rog,
Do they (VHT) make a shiny or satin black?
Gil |
The VHT paint I have is not quite a high gloss but it's not matt either - it's somewhere in between. It's called "gloss" but it's more like the finish on modern Mamods. At least, it's about the same as the smoke box on my 1989 SL6, which is the newest Mamod I have.
Beware, there are several different VHT ranges. The one I have is marked "brake caliper, drum & rotor - 900F / 490C temperature - SP-734 Gloss Black". Thre may well be higher temperature types which are truely matt.
The can I have doesn't give instructions for oven baking but I think it's safer to bring the temperature up slowly, in a controlled manner in an oven, rather than expose it to flame in an uncured state. The process described by Rog sounds good. I take a somewhat more layed back approach and leave it at 100C (212F) for a couple of days. This is what I do with ordinary paint and a higher temperature would be suitable for VHT paint. It's just that I have a convenient hot plate that runs at 100C. |
Thanks guys Im geting there. Roly I think thats the one I am looking for in the UK, your "brake caliper, drum & rotor - 900F / 490C temperature - SP-734 Gloss Black".
Can you tell me what make is it on the tin, and the big question where did you buy it? |
The name on the can is VHT. I have two URLs of suppliers in the UK:
http://www.usautomotive.co.uk/sto...&Msg=Product+added+to+cart%2E
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/cata...Path=894_896&products_id=7290
Rally Design seems to be slightly cheaper, but my records say I ordered from US Automotive. I can't remember why. Maybe they were cheaper at the time.
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