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That's wonderful! Great job!
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RocDoc
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| James wrote: | | That's wonderful! Great job! |
Thanks James ... and everyone else for your comments. I did mention to Mooseman that I was going to paint the hull in Shocking Pink ... have a couple of fluffy dice on the front. He suggested that might not be a good idea.
Speaking of ideas ... James ... me old matey ... you know there is a section on the forum dedicated to Locomotives ... have you thought about adding a section for Boats? Mooseman has a fleet ... I've got a fleet (of one) ... perhaps there are a few other fleets out there. Just a thought.
BTW, I'm hoping to go to the STiA next year and aiming to bring the Seahawk with me.
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James
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Very good idea!
I'll put it to the mods  
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CCairns
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Pete,
Just been going through this topic, and I would like to add to all the other comments that you've done a great job of restoring another Bowman.
As these came out well before Radio Control was invented how does one go about sailing these boats on the water? Does the engine have a steam valve or regulator, or do you just accept the variations in speed due to available steam pressure (I assume it only goes forward), and is there a friction device on the rudder to hold it in place against the action of the water when this boat tries to break the water speed record!
I agree with your idea to have a forum for model boats ( I have a few steam boats, only one fully working at present, but lack the time and commitment to join a local model boat club where you will then be subjected to having your steam engine tested, etc.), but as you've probably seen if you are interested in Steam Locos those postings do not always end up in the Locomotive Forum.
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RocDoc
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| CCairns wrote: | Hi Pete,
Just been going through this topic, and I would like to add to all the other comments that you've done a great job of restoring another Bowman.
As these came out well before Radio Control was invented how does one go about sailing these boats on the water? Does the engine have a steam valve or regulator, or do you just accept the variations in speed due to available steam pressure (I assume it only goes forward), and is there a friction device on the rudder to hold it in place against the action of the water when this boat tries to break the water speed record!
I agree with your idea to have a forum for model boats ( I have a few steam boats, only one fully working at present, but lack the time and commitment to join a local model boat club where you will then be subjected to having your steam engine tested, etc.), but as you've probably seen if you are interested in Steam Locos those postings do not always end up in the Locomotive Forum.
Chris Cairns. |
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I'm really very pleased how it finally came out considering that it was my very first restoration job.
Sailing the boat ... argh ... I've a confession to make. I've never actually sailed it before. But I know a man who has (sailed similar boats) ... Mooseman, Commander of the Fleet. He will be able to answer your questions in more detail.
For the Seahawk, I think it will be something like this. Bring it up to steam on dry land, position the rudder in the direction you want the boat to go ... put into water ... run like crazy to the other side of the pond - lake and hopefully stop it before it crashes into the side, assuming that it reached the other side. The engine only has one speed (fast, but varies with steam pressure) and no steam value. There is no friction device to hold the rudder in place. It's going to be an 'experience' sailing the boat.
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MooseMan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| CCairns wrote: |
As these came out well before Radio Control was invented how does one go about sailing these boats on the water? Does the engine have a steam valve or regulator, or do you just accept the variations in speed due to available steam pressure (I assume it only goes forward), and is there a friction device on the rudder to hold it in place against the action of the water when this boat tries to break the water speed record!
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Hi Chris,
Pete sort of gave me a prompt there.....
None of the Bowman boats have any sort of regulator....it's forward only, one speed. The rudder is stiff enough to be set in one position (on the Luton boats there is a notched "rack"). The only way to sail these boats is to point them in the right direction and hope for the best. I did speak to a gentleman who remembers sailing them as a kid, and that they used long bamboo poles with a cork on the end to push the boats in the ight direction.
Other boats used to be tethered, especially the flash steam hydroplanes that would read stupendous speed (80mph not unheard of).
Current steam boats in the toy category (like the Hobbies Arrow and the MidWest Fantail Launch) have simple radio control over the rudder only....there are much more advanced models that have remote rudders, throttles, whistles, what have you, but these are "models" rather than "toys" and not really my interest.
There is a page on my website specifically about boats, including some video of my RC ones:
http://www.freewebs.com/odilon/steamboats.htm
HTH,
Moose
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Steve_S
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's a very good idea to have a boats section on the forum. |
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James
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Pete, I've made a boats board.
Great idea!
I can tell you're from Lincolnshire 
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CCairns
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Hi Pete & Odilon,
Thanks for your comments on sailing these model boats, it is most useful.
Whilst I do have some radio controlled Cheddar Models marine engines, I got this project some time ago which must class as one of your toy steam boats. No idea what it is but is has a Mamod type boiler fired by solid fuel linked to a basic engine with valve gear.
As I do not have access to a nice quiet pond like I did when I lived in Surrey (most ponds around Glasgow are council run with rules on model boats - at least the ones that I am aware of), I was wondering if I could convert this boat to a radio controlled rudder and some sort of controlled steam valve.
But plenty of time for that as I've got plenty more projects ahead at present.
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RocDoc
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| James wrote: | Pete, I've made a boats board.
Great idea!
I can tell you're from Lincolnshire |
Hi James,
Aye and not far from you ... in Horncastle.
Thanks for adding the new board. I wonder how we are going to do this. If I take a video of the Seahawk, will it go under Videos, Restorations or the new Boats board. Confused ... soon will be.
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James
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I'd say the video board, dunno
Oh aye? Horncastle! There's a Lincoln Longwool breeder there!
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RocDoc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | I'd say the video board, dunno
Oh aye? Horncastle! There's a Lincoln Longwool breeder there! |
Wasn't me .. honest ... don't have any wellies!! |
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Cranko
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| James wrote: | Pete, I've made a boats board.
Great idea!
I can tell you're from Lincolnshire |
good idea James, I knew there was a good reason we let you stay |
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johnreid
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You should make this Thread number one in the Boats Section, iy is a fitting beginning.
Do most of you boaters have a raft or rowboat to retrieve your Steam Launches if the run out of Steam or venture off course?
I used to know someone that did RC boats and they kept a rubber raft handy when sailing.
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| I used a surf casting rod with a fairly large sinker, cast out beyond the boat and pull the line over it and reel in slowly |
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