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Bogstandard
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Richard,
Please don't let me put you off getting something, I was just giving you a bit of my experience with this boat.
This is mine on the water
It is electric powered and has independant paddle control via electronic mixers, it can spin around on the spot. Build time, about 6 months. Now in new, very appreciative hands. A chap who has had a stroke and the control of it is perfect for him.
Even though they say it is designed for basic steam, it is really totally unsuitable.
I have nothing positive to report on a boat in your situation. It all boils down to experience and time. there is nothing between what you have already made and the big boys toys, unless you make it yourself.
John
BTW, ask Odilon about the one he turned down when I got him the deal for the one he is now awaiting.
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bessytractor
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Location: Chertsey, Surrey
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thats really useful John, I really want to build a Glasgow kit. I'm building the Hobbies "Lady" kit at the moment but its going to be a while until thats finished.
thanks for the useful advice. |
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kusuchi
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Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Posts: 1729
Location: St Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands
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| Bogstandard wrote: | Richard,
Please don't let me put you off getting something, I was just giving you a bit of my experience with this boat.
This is mine on the water
It is electric powered and has independant paddle control via electronic mixers, it can spin around on the spot. Build time, about 6 months. Now in new, very appreciative hands. A chap who has had a stroke and the control of it is perfect for him.
Even though they say it is designed for basic steam, it is really totally unsuitable.
I have nothing positive to report on a boat in your situation. It all boils down to experience and time. there is nothing between what you have already made and the big boys toys, unless you make it yourself.
John
BTW, ask Odilon about the one he turned down when I got him the deal for the one he is now awaiting. |
John,
Your advice and expertise have been of immeasurable value to me as I try to chart my way through the virtually unnavigable waters of Steam Boating. 
Thank You.
You have helped me to avoid serious and costly mistakes on more than one occasion.
Although I can see that my post might have appeared somewhat despondant, that is not in fact the case. I'm actually quite philosophically optimistic. It's going to be hard to defuse my enthusiasm for these beautiful models.
The Glasgow is certainly yet another gorgeous example. I definitely want steam powered vessels though, the Marine Engines have a beauty all of their own.
Given that it looks like I will eventually have to jump in with the big boys, is there any one that is a little more forgiving than the others?
Regards,
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Bogstandard
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Richard,
The ones I would consider are I think what you have come up with, the Victoria, but not with the Willesco unit, that is just not powerful enough. It really needs the Puffin plant.
The other one, and I think might be a little more suitable is from the same stable, the Krick Alexandra, a little smaller at about 3ft and can take a smaller engine, something like the Cheddar Pintail.
The way to do it if you really want to go ahead, is wait for either a Puffin or Pintail steam plant to come up, then when it has been secured go for the kit that matches it.
http://www.jotika-ltd.com/Pages/1024768/Krick_2.htm
But if you really can't wait, try these for an eye opener, about the best kits on the market.
http://www.jotika-ltd.com/Pages/1024768/MHB_Front.htm
http://www.jotika-ltd.com/Pages/1024768/MHB_2.htm
To make properly, about a year in your spare time.
John
For people reading this post that are after stirling engines, here are the bees knees in design.
http://www.jotika-ltd.com/Pages/1024768/Bohm_Front.htm
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Les
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Les
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A friend of mine has the Anna, it is a lovely little boat, and it has a Pintail steam plant.
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kusuchi
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| Bogstandard wrote: | Richard,
The ones I would consider are I think what you have come up with, the Victoria, but not with the Willesco unit, that is just not powerful enough. It really needs the Puffin plant.
The other one, and I think might be a little more suitable is from the same stable, the Krick Alexandra, a little smaller at about 3ft and can take a smaller engine, something like the Cheddar Pintail.
The way to do it if you really want to go ahead, is wait for either a Puffin or Pintail steam plant to come up, then when it has been secured go for the kit that matches it.
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What does everone think of this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....sPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006
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Bogstandard
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Richard,
The Puffin he is advertising there is, I think, the latest version of the engine as made by Stuarts, and retails here for over £800.
Did you contact Odilon about the one I told you about?
John
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Les
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If you can, go for it, I and a friend of mine both have one and they are never a problem.
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MooseMan
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| Bogstandard wrote: |
Did you contact Odilon about the one I told you about?
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Just to clarify, the Victoria with the Cheddar engine has been sold....just as well I took your friend up on his offer John!
The seller did put me in touch with someone who is selling a very good looking Victoria for relatively little money, but it has the Krick/Wilesco engine rather than the Cheddar....not in the same league I understand.
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Bogstandard
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It seems like everyone is after the Victoria, I should have kept mine.
The Wilesco engined Victoria is a major problem power wise, it will steam ok for about a minute then totally run out of steam, so a couple of minutes wait time to pump up again. The boiler with gas power is also a suspect item. This would be one for show only, or an engine swap if you wanted to steam it.
Krick very quickly went over to the Cheddar unit and it was a match made in heaven, a perfect balance. I think one of the best balances in generally available model steam boats ever made. The other was when people started to fit the Patricia with the Pintail.
John
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