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Bowman M167 restoration - Gun Gum experiment has Failed p3
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Les


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks and sounds great.  Thumbs up!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Pete ... how's it going with that M167 ....

Glad you asked.  

Here are some photos of the firebox which I'm in the process of patching.  The first photo shows the extent of the hole in the front end (white is some card).  The second photo shows the aluminium mesh along the back which is used as reinforcement.  The third photo shows the Gun Gum filling the hole.  The last photo shows the inside of the firebox.  Note the mesh has been totally covered by the Gun Gum.  I'm not too bothered about the the final finish of the inside as it will be hidden from view.

Gun Gum is a paste type stuff for repairing exhaust pipes and silencers.  Add a bit of water and it goes on like a thick paste ... add more water and it becomes thinner.  Can get quite a good finish if you use a bit of water but beware .. don't use wet&dry to sand it smooth ... the wet causes the surfaces layers to 'run' again.  Nothing too major but running nether the less.  I'm beginning to wonder how it will cope under steam conditions.

Dry sanding works upto a point.  However, I don't think this type of material was ever designed for producing very smooth finishes.   I'm sure I can work around this problem.

So far ... so good

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At last, the cat has a flap ... actually, the 167 firebox now has a burner flap (see photos).  I followed Steve's method for fixing the flap, namely using very short nails which were then flattened out (peened) to form rivets.  Although you can see the rivet heads in the photos, they should almost disappear when the firebox is painted black.

The brown stuff at the other end of the firebox is Gun Gum which was used to patch the hole.

So far .. so good

Pete



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done, and it should look good when painted.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, the repair will never be noticed when painted.

Good work.  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great Pete. It'll look fine when it's painted.... I'm glad it worked!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve_S wrote:
That's great Pete. It'll look fine when it's painted.... I'm glad it worked!


Thanks Steve ... I'm chuffed that it turned out so well.

Pete  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good job, I too believe that the repair will be invisible once painted.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just like the weather ... not a good day today.  Today was painting firebox day but it turned into a "strip-the-paint-using-Nitromors" day.  It was just one of those things ... too much spray, several major runs.  I knew the finish would not past muster with the forum so off it had to come.  

The new paint came off a treat but the Nitromors didn't touch the Gun Gum nor the original paint which is interesting.  Also, the Nitromors removed the car body filler that I had used to make a smooth surface over the repair on the front of the firebox.  I guess this type of filler isn't the right stuff to use on a firebox (I'm now thinking that I will layer in several coats of paint to make a smooth finish to the repair).

Ah well ... we live and learn.   Practice makes perfect I suppose.

Pete

PS: Watch this space ... something wicked this way comes ...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That could be much worse, chalk it up to experience and enjoy the project. Lessons learned are a valuable part of the experience.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope it works out next time, and please post some pictures of the results.
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johnreid wrote:
That could be much worse, chalk it up to experience and enjoy the project. Lessons learned are a valuable part of the experience.


Thanks.  I am enjoying the project even with all the little set backs. That's one of the things I like about this hobby ... I'm learning something new every day.
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RocDoc wrote:
johnreid wrote:
That could be much worse, chalk it up to experience and enjoy the project. Lessons learned are a valuable part of the experience.


Thanks.  I am enjoying the project even with all the little set backs. That's one of the things I like about this hobby ... I'm learning something new every day.


I learnt the other day 'Don't try and machine annealed copper pipe on the lathe', lets just say that project is now in the scrap bin.  

I find when I learn the hard way I tend to remember the lesson better.  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick wrote:
Hope it works out next time, and please post some pictures of the results.


Hi Nick,

Will do ... and some of the base plate as well as that is next in line for painting.

Cheers

Pete
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