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Martian Ind
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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: Is this a Meccano logo? |
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I obtained recently a load of Bing and Marklin accessories, this Sawbench was amongst them, a bit tatty but nice nevertheless. Once I can identify it it will be going on E-bay.
Thanks in advance for your help
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Martian Ind
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Ralph, approx when do you think it was made? You can see it working on my sons u tube page I think it is being driven by a Bing Horizontal steamer. I plan to sell the Bing shortly, and I always like to show them working an accessory, although looking at the short film the saw needs a few more HP than the bing provides.. 
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Hi Martin,
Well, I am no expert on these things so I have just had a look in our copy of Love & Gamble's Meccano System book and discovered that it first appeared in an advert in the January 1929 edition of Meccano Magazine. It says in the advert that it can be driven by clockwork or electric motor or a steam engine. It also referrers to the holes in the frame being Meccano spacing so it can be built into a Meccano workshop.
You will find the magazine on the NZ Meccano website for free view/download HERE
If the link does not take you to the exact page just Select: January, 1929, You need to look at the bottom right of page 93...
I hope this helps,
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Martian Ind
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Once again this forum and its members specifically you Ralph, have gone above and beyond whats asked. For this I am very grateful
We are collectively (scuse the pun) curators of all this " stuff " and if it was not for the enormous database available via the internet, a good majority of this " stuff " would end up in the bin. My living involves selling antiquities and collectables of all breeds, and during the past 5 years there have been many changes, some good some not so good. All are related to the WWW. It is simply a case of changing tactics, if you cannot or will not use a PC or the WWW you will get left behind. I have bought " stuff " years ago because my nose twiched, it went into storage not having a clue what it was. Now I bring them out, and " Google " them and Hey presto there it is, with someone giving line and verse.
Once again many thanks, and a couple more questions. What does the " L " stand for, I understand M and Ld..
Also do you think this would appeal more to the Meccano collector or the steam accessory person?
I am new to this forum, but because of all the help it provides I am thinking of selling one or two bits via this forum. I actually loathe taking part in sealed bid auctions, but I think because of the nature of this forum, it might take awhile for the " right persons " to log on. 3 weeks is a typical length for sealed bids + advertising, this way people have the opportunity to view and place a bid + up their bid if they wish.
I will maybe contact a " Chief " of the forum.
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Good morning Martin,
Thank you for your kind words, always willing to help...
Regarding your questions:
What does the " L " stand for, I understand M and Ld..
I assume the 'L' stands for 'Liverpool' as Meccano Ltd was based there even before starting the move into the purpose built Binns Road site in 1914.
Also do you think this would appeal more to the Meccano collector or the steam accessory person?
All that sort of stuff is really outside the Meccano builder's main area of interest although I am sure most builders would take a passing interest at the very least. I am sure the main market would be with the collector and the model steam engine enthusiast.
Over the years I have been interests in may things some of which I have made into a revenue stream. I still do make money from selling what I know on all sorts of subjects - such is the life of an author and journalist - However all these interests have lost their appeal. I have always tried to stay away from getting involved with Meccano in any commercial way. We do buy and sell a bit of Meccano now and then but this is purely a space clearing exercise - what on earth can yo do with motors and battery boxes or modern plastic wheels and tyres when the numbers start to run into the hundreds? The stuff we buy is to expand the stock not to make a profit!
This way we can keep our hobby purely that with no pressure it is enjoyable, no deadlines and no fees to be made just good fun!
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On Hornby trains, that trademark logo only ran until 1922.....
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Martian Ind
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| bowman wrote: | | On Hornby trains, that trademark logo only ran until 1922..... |
Does anybody know when the trademark actually started appearing? Then presumably this saw was made between the dates?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Nice sturdy item. 
More suitable for extended use than the tinplate type.
Please tell us when and where you are selling it. 
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| Dr. Rog wrote: | Nice sturdy item.
More suitable for extended use than the tinplate type.
Please tell us when and where you are selling it. |
Looks like its tinplate isnt it Rog??
You would be better off with a Doll one theres plenty off ebay.de, and they arent much more than £20 all in.
This is in a different league appealing to meccano and steamers
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Ralph Laughton
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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That sounds about right. If that trade mark ran until 1922 it all fits.
Malcolm Hanson (who added that picture and write up to the NZ site) knows his stuff and has a large collection of early Meccano. Sue did a piece on Malcolm's display at Meccanuity a couple of years ago, see HERE .
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Martian Ind
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| Dr. Rog wrote: |
Please tell us when and where you are selling it. |
Hi Dr Rog, I actually plan to list this and a boxed unused SEL 3060 hacksaw on Ebay.
Now based on the fact that in 2004 that a labelled ML Ld saw in boxed good cond sold for £430 (not incl prem) at auction, and that I just witnessed on ebay an SEL hacksaw unboxed sell for £72. Makes me wonder what to ask for them both here on this Forum..
I like the idea of running a sealed bid auction here. I thought as a guide £50-70 for the hacksaw and £250-300 for the Meccano. Basically let it run for 2 weeks, and I open the bids on the last day, and the highest one wins..
In all probability their will be more people with more money than sense on E-bay, but I like the idea of at least some forum members to have a shot as it were.
Has such an auction taken place here before?, quite happy for a moderator to oversee fair play.
Don't tell the wife, but would also consider swapping them both for a nice steam plant of say £350 value.
Apparently the ML Ld labelled saw has rarely been on the Market, and is a bit like rocking horse droppings. if anybody has proof of one more recently sold, I would be interested to know.
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| Atticman wrote: | | Dr. Rog wrote: | Nice sturdy item.
More suitable for extended use than the tinplate type.
Please tell us when and where you are selling it. |
Looks like its tinplate isnt it Rog??
You would be better off with a Doll one theres plenty off ebay.de, and they arent much more than £20 all in.
This is in a different league appealing to meccano and steamers |
Its not what I consider "tinplate". Although the top is obviously plated the gauge of the material is several times the typical pressed steel toy normally considered under that name. Biscuit tins are made of tinplate, Meccano gauge is thicker than what you make cars out of.
It does look like this is out of my league budget wise and you are probably right about getting a Doll/F-man instead.
I do have a Meccano saw and slotted base, so I will be OK in the meantime.
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