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The Denying Dutchman
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scorpion2nz
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very interesting reading _________________ Cheers
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| Yes, that's very interesting. The often stated advice is that silver solder should not be used as a filler. But the strong suggestion here is that it is best to ensure that there is enough room for full penetration of the solder, and even if that means a "sloppy" fit, the joint will still be stronger than the surrounding copper. |
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Very helpful and informative, A discussion with a fellow steamer at the Orange Massachusetts engine show a statement was made that a current brand of engines were junk because the boiler's were only tested to 75 psi . I feel with a small amount of common sense we can avoid what this fool did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R348vGkjyw&feature=share _________________ The most fun you can have with a glass of water...
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MODmanMax
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The boilers we play with are mostly around 10 psi and some going to 60psi. My car tyres run around 36psi and I have pressure spray packs all around the house with higher pressures.
The dangers of exploding boilers are highly over stated in our hobby.
Even in the "Jim's exploding steam engine" no one was hurt which is an extreme example of carelessness.
There is more danger in tipping over the metho and setting the carpet alight. _________________ Classic Hobbies
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MrDuck
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Still a faillure test of contemporary boilers of different makes and sizes, silver and plain soldered, would be very interesting to see.
I know they are factory tested to much higher pressures than we would care to use but a faillure test could still be very interesting. _________________ Et in Arcadia Ego |
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i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!  _________________ mistakes are only made by those who try! |
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BK
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That says a lot, thanks for that. There's no way my boilers will reach that pressure. I also like the "loose fit" idea, that's my style.  _________________ BK (Bernie)
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MODmanMax
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Its a good idea to wear safety glasses when you fire up a repaired boiler. I have had hot water squirt me in the face from a leaking joint.
But in no way was it going to explode. _________________ Classic Hobbies
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Roly Williams
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| xlchainsaw wrote: | i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!  |
That's why testing is done with cold water with all air excluded - no explosion. _________________ Regards
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ozsteamdemon
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| Roly Williams wrote: | | xlchainsaw wrote: | i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!  |
That's why testing is done with cold water with all air excluded - no explosion. |
and that air is compessable , water is not , hence the term Hydraulic Test .  _________________ Demon Industries ... the quiet achievers !
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L E Jay
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I did still find a it a bit tricky in the fact they all did well, it's the 1000 to 1500 psi range you'd have to worry about..
Which to me makes it all slightly inconclusive. _________________ Regards,
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It makes me feel less unsure about building a boiler kit... _________________ The most fun you can have with a glass of water...
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The Denying Dutchman
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| L E Jay wrote: | I did still find a it a bit tricky in the fact they all did well, it's the 1000 to 1500 psi range you'd have to worry about..
Which to me makes it all slightly inconclusive. |
I don't think it's inconclusive at all, it proves that silver soldered copper can hold a lot more pressure than we will ever need. Conclusion: buying copper tube with 1mm wall thickness is a waste of money. _________________ Paul |
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