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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Boiler tests. Reply with quote

Always wanted to know at which pressure your home made boiler will fail?

http://www.cabbagepatchrailway.co.uk/mls/g3/boiler-tests.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very interesting reading
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's very interesting. The often stated advice is that silver solder should not be used as a filler. But the strong suggestion here is that it is best to ensure that there is enough room for full penetration of the solder, and even if that means a "sloppy" fit, the joint will still be stronger than the surrounding copper.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very helpful and informative, A discussion with a fellow steamer at the Orange Massachusetts engine show a statement was made that a current brand of engines were junk because the boiler's were only tested to 75 psi . I feel with a small amount of common sense we can avoid what this fool did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R348vGkjyw&feature=share
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The boilers we play with are mostly around 10 psi and some going to 60psi. My car tyres run around 36psi and I have pressure spray packs all around the house with higher pressures.
The dangers of exploding boilers are highly over stated in our hobby.
Even in the "Jim's exploding steam engine" no one was hurt which is an extreme example of carelessness.
There is more danger in tipping over the metho and setting the carpet alight.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a faillure test of contemporary boilers of different makes and sizes, silver and plain soldered, would be very interesting to see.

I know they are factory tested to much higher pressures than we would care to use but a faillure test could still be very interesting.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That says a lot, thanks for that. There's no way my boilers will reach that pressure. I also like the "loose fit" idea, that's my style.    
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a good idea to wear safety glasses when you fire up a repaired boiler. I have had hot water squirt me in the face from a leaking joint.
But in no way was it going to explode.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xlchainsaw wrote:
i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!


That's why testing is done with cold water with all air excluded - no explosion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very informative even though a little scary methinks  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roly Williams wrote:
xlchainsaw wrote:
i dont want to be around if one of my boilers were taken to the limit of destruction....some info suggests 1000 psi!!!!


That's why testing is done with cold water with all air excluded - no explosion.


and that air is compessable , water is not , hence the term Hydraulic Test .  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did still find a it a bit tricky in the fact they all did well, it's the 1000 to 1500 psi range you'd have to worry about..

Which to me makes it all slightly inconclusive.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes me feel less unsure about building a boiler kit...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L E Jay wrote:
I did still find a it a bit tricky in the fact they all did well, it's the 1000 to 1500 psi range you'd have to worry about..

Which to me makes it all slightly inconclusive.


I don't think it's inconclusive at all, it proves that silver soldered copper can hold a lot more pressure than we will ever need. Conclusion: buying copper tube with 1mm wall thickness is a waste of money.
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